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Nikola
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Country : Serbia | Nikola posted @ 2012-04-09 2:01 PM Isn't it better if the twin grids are placed side by side? Maybe this is a next question for the poll.
Survived, so far,
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debmohanty
Country : India | Nikola - 2012-04-09 2:01 PM
Isn't it better if the twin grids are placed side by side? Maybe this is a next question for the poll.
We (Fred and me ) had exactly the same concern in Diagonal Vision. |
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purifire
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Country : India | Nikola - 2012-04-09 2:01 PM
Isn't it better if the twin grids are placed side by side? Maybe this is a next question for the poll.
Survived, so far,
Nikola
We can definitely have poll or I can simply put them up horizontally in the PB.
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debmohanty
Country : India | purifire - 2012-04-09 2:09 PM
We can definitely have poll or I can simply put them up horizontally in the PB.
Putting them horizontally is definitely preferable, so lets not open a poll.
The only thing you need to take care of is that the grid size shouldn't be very small after you have 2 grids horizontally.
So, you need to have the page with Twin in "Landscape" orientation, while all other pages have to be in "Portrait" orientation. This can be done easily, if you are using Microsoft Word.
(Fred was using Open Office, so we decided not to experiment. We were not sure if all printers support this. We were also bit skeptical because lot of players had reported printing issues in Fred's previous test "Spring Test" ) Edited by debmohanty 2012-04-09 2:15 PM
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purifire
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Country : India | Landscaped images was what I had in mind. |
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devarajand
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Country : India | What about online solving |
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Kota
Posts: 33
Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2012-04-09 4:35 PM In Little Killer, should main diagonals contain each digits from 1 to 9? |
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deu
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Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2012-04-09 4:37 PM There are some differences between score table and points stated in the instruction for each puzzle. Which is correct? |
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Kota
Posts: 33
Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2012-04-09 4:51 PM In Multiple Killer, the cage number '1580' on R2C1 is probably wrong. '1680' seems right. |
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purifire
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Country : India | Kota - 2012-04-09 4:35 PM
In Little Killer, should main diagonals contain each digits from 1 to 9?
Yes Kota... The main diagonals contain digits 1 to 9.
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purifire
Posts: 460
Country : India | Kota - 2012-04-09 4:51 PM
In Multiple Killer, the cage number '1580' on R2C1 is probably wrong. '1680' seems right.
Thanks for pointing out the typo on that Kota. Correcting it right away.
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purifire
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Country : India | deu - 2012-04-09 4:37 PM
There are some differences between score table and points stated in the instruction for each puzzle. Which is correct?
Sorry About that Deu.
Updated IB has been uploaded. The typo errors for the Product Killer has been Corrected. The point distribution mismatch has been rectified. Additional Instruction on the two main diagonals in the Little Killer has also been updated.
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Kota
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Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2012-04-09 6:26 PM Thanks.
I solved all examples.
5 is still alive: The rule'Digits cannot repeat inside a cage' is written. But, the example puzzle does not satisfy this rule.
Twin Killer: In below puzzle, the cage number in R5C6 13 is wrong. 9 is correct. |
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Fred76
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Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2012-04-09 10:12 PM Kota - 2012-04-09 6:26 PM
5 is still alive: The rule'Digits cannot repeat inside a cage' is written. But, the example puzzle does not satisfy this rule.
I don't know what will be the rules of the test puzzle (waiting for Rishi's answer ), but here is a puzzle which satisfies the rule "digits cannot repeat inside a cage".
Here are 2 versions of the grid. Of course the "kid" version with digits 2 and 3 in row 2 can be solved by a 6-month baby. I made the second version just to preserve my reputation of creating hard grids.   (5stillalive.png) (5stillaliveb.png)Attachments ----------------  5stillalive.png (10KB - 0 downloads) 5stillaliveb.png (9KB - 2 downloads) |
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purifire
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Country : India | Kota - 2012-04-09 6:26 PM
Thanks.
I solved all examples.
5 is still alive: The rule'Digits cannot repeat inside a cage' is written. But, the example puzzle does not satisfy this rule.
Twin Killer: In below puzzle, the cage number in R5C6 13 is wrong. 9 is correct.
I have modified the IB to reflect a 6x6 5 is still alive puzzle. The actual rule in the test will be that the digit cannot repeat inside a cage. The example puzzle earlier was from Five Fold test by Serkan where the digits can repeat. That was an oversight from my end.
Twin Killer Digit also has been corrected.
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Para
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Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-04-10 1:05 AM debmohanty - 2012-04-09 2:14 PM
purifire - 2012-04-09 2:09 PM
We can definitely have poll or I can simply put them up horizontally in the PB.
Putting them horizontally is definitely preferable, so lets not open a poll.
The only thing you need to take care of is that the grid size shouldn't be very small after you have 2 grids horizontally.
So, you need to have the page with Twin in "Landscape" orientation, while all other pages have to be in "Portrait" orientation. This can be done easily, if you are using Microsoft Word.
(Fred was using Open Office, so we decided not to experiment. We were not sure if all printers support this. We were also bit skeptical because lot of players had reported printing issues in Fred's previous test "Spring Test" )
The twin puzzles in shapes and sizes and Diagonal Vision were both vertical. Why are we now saying horizontal is definitely preferable? Horizontal will mean I will have my arm over the right side puzzle when writing on the left side puzzle. I'd really prefer vertical positioning. It's how all Twin Sudoku puzzles I have ever done look. Edited by Para 2012-04-10 1:06 AM
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Fred76
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Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2012-04-10 1:31 AM Para - 2012-04-10 1:05 AM
debmohanty - 2012-04-09 2:14 PM
purifire - 2012-04-09 2:09 PM
We can definitely have poll or I can simply put them up horizontally in the PB.
Putting them horizontally is definitely preferable, so lets not open a poll.
The only thing you need to take care of is that the grid size shouldn't be very small after you have 2 grids horizontally.
So, you need to have the page with Twin in "Landscape" orientation, while all other pages have to be in "Portrait" orientation. This can be done easily, if you are using Microsoft Word.
(Fred was using Open Office, so we decided not to experiment. We were not sure if all printers support this. We were also bit skeptical because lot of players had reported printing issues in Fred's previous test "Spring Test" )
The twin puzzles in shapes and sizes and Diagonal Vision were both vertical. Why are we now saying horizontal is definitely preferable? Horizontal will mean I will have my arm over the right side puzzle when writing on the left side puzzle. I'd really prefer vertical positioning. It's how all Twin Sudoku puzzles I have ever done look.
Personnaly, I prefer horizontal presentation of twin grids. That being said, I don't think that it makes a lot of difference for me, and it'll not bother me if the twins are presented vertically, as Richard and I made for the previous tests.
The points are:
*I think for online players grids will be presented horizontally (because of monitor's size ). The question is: Should it be perfectly the same between online and paper players? or knowing that it's not the same, each player can chose the way he solve this particularly grid (if he prefer horizontally, he can solve it online )?
*The second question I've asked to myself was the printing issues. With different paper orientations on the pdf file, knowing the vagaries of the computer science: with a huge amount of different printers and drivers and a lot of different "pdf reader" software, I feared that someone could have a printing issue due to this fact. That's why we chose a vertical presentation of the twins for the last test (Technically, it's not difficult to have different page orientation with OpenOffice ).
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prasanna16391
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Country : India | Since it doesn't take much to compile/print an extra page, I guess we can just keep both presentations in the PDF and let the player choose?
Of course this will mostly mean in my case that I'll never be sure of which one to choose and end up leaving it entirely...  |
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caudmont
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Country : France | prasanna16391 - 2012-04-10 3:10 AM
Since it doesn't take much to compile/print an extra page, I guess we can just keep both presentations in the PDF and let the player choose?
Of course this will mostly mean in my case that I'll never be sure of which one to choose and end up leaving it entirely...
Personnally I prefer only one page and use scissors to put the grids as I want ( vertically, horizontally, diagonally ..... ) |
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greenhorn
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Country : Slovakia | I believe that I am not the only person who use pencil marks during solving. The cells and grids seem to be too small and I am not able to write down all I want. For now, I rewrote the training puzzles, but it took me 15 minutes, so in such case I will be not interesting in taking part this weekend. Is it possible to make the grids larger and sharper?
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purifire
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Country : India | greenhorn - 2012-04-10 8:32 PM
I believe that I am not the only person who use pencil marks during solving. The cells and grids seem to be too small and I am not able to write down all I want. For now, I rewrote the training puzzles, but it took me 15 minutes, so in such case I will be not interesting in taking part this weekend. Is it possible to make the grids larger and sharper?
Thanks a lot.
The actual test puzzle will be bigger with 1 puzzle in every page. Since this was the IB, I have put 2 puzzles on each page.
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greenhorn
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Country : Slovakia | Thank You. That will be great. Looking forward to the puzzles. |
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purifire
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Country : India | This is a post to inform you all that there has been a change in the title of the test. People felt that the earlier title was bringing up images of an unsavoury event of the past. Our intention was not to hurt anyone's sentiments and after discussions with fellow solvers across the world, we decided to change the title.
Our focus and passions are all towards puzzles and we intend to keep it that way.
Appreciate the inputs of Tom C, David Millar and Jason Z on this.
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Fred76
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Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2012-04-11 4:39 PM Another "5 still alive" with the rule "Digits cannot repeat inside a cage" for your training (quite different style than the first one ):
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Realshaggy
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Richard
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Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-04-11 8:31 PM Both puzzles were specialties, and inspired by the one of the fivefold sudoku test.
Sometimes a 'theme' can be a very simple digit...
The first one I made was for the 3rd anniversary of the puzzle portal in Germany, and the second was a bit too hard for the recent German sudoku championship.
Maybe they will help in preparation for this killer-test. The way to think yourself into the puzzle might be the same...
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Richard
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Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-04-11 9:06 PM
If the instructions are in German, simply click on the english flag on top-right of the screen. |
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flk
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Country : Australia | flk posted @ 2012-04-13 10:35 PM Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer?
Looking forward to the test |
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motris
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Country : United States | motris posted @ 2012-04-14 12:44 AM flk - 2012-04-13 9:35 AM
Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer?
Looking forward to the test
Yes, and yes.
I don't think it is a variation either, just an attempt at a paradigm shift that is unfortunately more detrimental to online solvers than paper solvers who can "fix" the puzzle. Just be sure to convert back to 0-8 before submitting the answer. Edited by motris 2012-04-14 12:45 AM
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Para
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Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-04-14 3:02 AM flk - 2012-04-13 10:35 PM
Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer?
Looking forward to the test
If you do that remember to subtract 1 from every digit for the answer key.
The Killer from the spring sudoku test and the one I made were both zero killers (unclued areas ) and had clear cage sum themes. So maybe it's another similar gimmick.
I at first was thinking the greater than killer would have the symbols be between cages (like on killersudokuonline.com ) and not between cells. |
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Country : India | Announcements
1. Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 12 pages. There is no cover page.
2. If you are planning to solve online, please solve the example first to be comfortable.
3. Paper only link - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201204S/?paper=1
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SKnight
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Country : United States | SKnight posted @ 2012-04-14 8:00 PM Hmm... results page isn't showing that anybody has submitted anything, even though people have finished the test, and have actually submitted answers.
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purifire
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Country : India | Deb will be setting that right soon.. |
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Para
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Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-04-15 4:10 AM Phew, just managed to submit my answers in time.
It was a little bit confusing that the Surprise Killer wasn't named that in the booklet but is named that on the answer key page. It took me a little while to realise the name didn't match the name on the answer key page. But I had actually switched answer pages a few times looking for the right place to put in the answer key.
SKnight - 2012-04-14 8:00 PM
Hmm... results page isn't showing that anybody has submitted anything, even though people have finished the test, and have actually submitted answers.
It's to increase tension.
I think it has some old script remembered as it also already shows ratings before I entered them.
Edited by Para 2012-04-15 4:19 AM
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forcolin
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Country : ITALY | Phew, just managed to submit my answers in time.
It was a little bit confusing that the Surprise Killer wasn't named that in the booklet but is named that on the answer key page. It took me a little while to realise the name didn't match the name on the answer key page. But I had actually switched answer pages a few times looking for the right place to put in the answer key.
I just copy/pasted as I had exactly the same experience. Para I owe you a beer for the copyright
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joshuazucker
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Country : United States | I think I noticed a typo on the Untouch submission form: the online form says to submit row 5 and row 6 but the arrows on the puzzle say to submit row 5 and column 6. |
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Ziti
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Country : United States | Ziti posted @ 2012-04-15 2:06 PM Thank you for the entertaining set, Rishi. You took a good idea and made it great with many clever variants. Good work! |
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purifire
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Country : India | Thanks Jason! |
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rajeshk
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Country : India | rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-15 6:04 PM Thanks Rishi for the great set of puzzles created by you. I really enjoyed it participating in this.
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purifire
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Country : India | Thanks Rajesh! |
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flk
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Country : Australia | flk posted @ 2012-04-15 6:21 PM Thanks for the test, most enjoyable. Also thanks to those who responded above. |
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rajeshk
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Country : India | rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-15 10:29 PM I am not able to see results. It shows the players which participated but not any score. Is there anyone else facing the same problem?
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purifire
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Country : India | rajeshk - 2012-04-15 10:29 PM
I am not able to see results. It shows the players which participated but not any score. Is there anyone else facing the same problem?
Deb will look into it Rajesh. I think everyone is facing that problem. |
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rajeshk
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Country : India | rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-16 8:17 AM Thanks Rishi for your super quick reply. I am able to see the results now.
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purifire
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Country : India | The Results page has been corrected and you can now see the results. Apologies for any inconvenience.
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prasanna16391
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Country : India | Still disappointed I messed up a chance for completion, but quite happy if it stays like this :P
Great Killers, I can easily say, my favorite Sudoku test on LMI, but I guess I'm biased with liking Killers and all.
Thanks Rishi :) |
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purifire
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Country : India | prasanna16391 - 2012-04-16 2:47 PM
Still disappointed I messed up a chance for completion, but quite happy if it stays like this :P
Great Killers, I can easily say, my favorite Sudoku test on LMI, but I guess I'm biased with liking Killers and all.
Thanks Rishi :)
You are welcome Prasanna! : ) |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | In sudokus i always face my hard time,
anyways nice puzzles. Hope to get better with this killers :)
Thanks Rishi for the wonderful puzzles :) |
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neerajmehrotra
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Country : India | almost killed............grt puzzles as always!!! |
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purifire
Posts: 460
Country : India | Thanks Swaroop and Neeraj! :) |
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Country : India | Killing Time — LMI April Sudoku Test is over.
Congratulations to janoslaw, Kota, motris for taking the top 3 positions. 4 more players (deu, Nikola, Ziti, misko) completed all 12 sudokus.
Among Indian players, Prasanna played extremely to be ranked overall 10th. Rohan and Rajesh complete the top 3.
Out of 163 players, 133 players solved at least one Killer. Thank you everyone for participating. |
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sanket
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Country : India | sanket posted @ 2012-04-17 11:50 AM I've always has this phobia of killers ! Really needed a test like this to get over it !
Thanks Rishi for the wonderful set of puzzles :) |
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purifire
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Country : India | Thank you all for taking part. Congratulations to Jan M, Kota and Thomas for taking the top 3 spots. You guys truly are the best in the world. There were other people on their heel which goes to show that the race to the top is really hotting up.
Congrats to Prasanna, Rohan and Rajesh for taking the top 3 Indian places. Good to see Prasanna crack in to the top 10. R brigade be careful :)
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purifire
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Country : India | You are welcome Sanket. |
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Richard
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Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-04-17 12:13 PM Killers are among my favorite sudokus, so I did enjoy all six puzzles that I was able to solve in two hours. Those were also exactly the ones I had planned to try, so my mission was accomplished! All in all it turned out to be my best relative performance so far, so I am even happier with this result.
Thanks for the puzzles and hard work!
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purifire
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Country : India | Im Glad you enjoyed them Richard. You are welcome. |
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Kota
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Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2012-04-17 7:53 PM Thanks for the great set! I was sorry that I mentioned some mistakes in the past instruction.
I did my best performance, but I was disappointed at being beaten by janoslaw by more than 10 minutes.
I'm going to play at the next test better than now.
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purifire
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Country : India | Kota - 2012-04-17 7:53 PM
Thanks for the great set! I was sorry that I mentioned some mistakes in the past instruction.
I did my best performance, but I was disappointed at being beaten by janoslaw by more than 10 minutes.
I'm going to play at the next test better than now.
Kota, You don't have to be sorry about the mistakes in the IB. It just goes to show how valuable the information in the IB is and how correct it has to be. Its a good sign that you look into the IB deeply.
Jan M blew the test no doubt but your performance was no small feat either. congrats again.
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Para
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Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-04-18 2:27 AM I liked most puzzles. I just found it a bit strange that the untouch Killer didn't need the extra constraint. When I solved it afterwards I didn't use the untouch at all. I am not sure how the opening was supposed to work, but the way I did it, I had no use for the the untouch rule and after you get it going, thinking about the untouch rule would just be distracting when you can just work the cages. |
