FAST — LMI April Puzzle Test #1 — Introducing Weekday-only Tests — 1st - 3rd April
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auroux posted @ 2014-03-27 3:22 AM

Hi Deb, Looking forward to it -- but can you give an idea of how long the test is likely to be? For a weekday test, it's good to know how much time one should reserve in one's schedule. Thanks! Denis

Edited by auroux 2014-03-27 3:23 AM
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auroux - 2014-03-27 3:22 AM

Hi Deb, Looking forward to it -- but can you give an idea of how long the test is likely to be? For a weekday test, it's good to know how much time one should reserve in one's schedule. Thanks! Denis


Hi Denis, it'll be a one hour contest.
@ 2014-03-28 9:53 AM (#14702 - in reply to #14641) (#14702) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-03-28 9:53 AM

Logic Masters India announces FAST - April Puzzle Test #1


Dates : 1st — 3rd April

Instructions Booklet and Submission : here

Note that this is a Weekday-only test.

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2014-03-28 6:47 PM

wow awesome test :)
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swaroop2011 posted @ 2014-03-28 6:53 PM

are the puzzles in difficulty order or random in actual test?
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Administrator posted @ 2014-03-29 8:49 AM

swaroop2011 - 2014-03-28 6:53 PM

are the puzzles in difficulty order or random in actual test?
Like in most tests, the puzzles in the PB will be ordered in the same sequence as the instructions booklet.

(I won't call it "random" order because they are mostly sorted alphabetically in this test)
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tamz29 posted @ 2014-04-01 1:36 AM

Will this count towards the monthly rating?
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tamz29 - 2014-04-01 1:36 AM

Will this count towards the monthly rating?
It will not. It is not running on weekends; so we have no idea how many players are going to participate.
@ 2014-04-01 6:20 AM (#14721 - in reply to #14641) (#14721) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2014-04-01 6:20 AM

Who is the author(s)?
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-01 6:37 AM

I guess since it's written "Logic Masters India presents", the author is Deb. But yeah, it's a bit unusual...
@ 2014-04-01 6:51 AM (#14723 - in reply to #14641) (#14723) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2014-04-01 6:51 AM

WOW WHAT A TEST,
Usually i print the PB immediately after 1 minute realized why it cant be printed and then seeing puzzles realized it is not needed as well.
So Nice enjoyment test. :)
Hope i could perform this way in one of regular tests :p

Edited by swaroop2011 2014-04-01 6:53 AM
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Satvinder posted @ 2014-04-01 1:47 PM

It was a fabulous test.
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connect4 posted @ 2014-04-01 7:07 PM

Very fun. I could have saved a minute, too, if I'd noticed the "Puzzles 11-20" tab. That was a tough thing to find :)
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jaku111 posted @ 2014-04-01 9:47 PM

Nice :)
@ 2014-04-01 10:03 PM (#14733 - in reply to #14641) (#14733) Top

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auroux posted @ 2014-04-01 10:03 PM

Meh... Nice joke but no fun for those of us who were looking forward to a puzzle contest :( With 4x4 grids this could have been much better.By the way, I would like to dedicate my performance to AT&T -- "providing third-world quality internet access at first-world prices since 1876" -- who kindly contributed an extra 30 seconds to my solving time...Denis

Edited by auroux 2014-04-01 10:04 PM
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macherlakumar posted @ 2014-04-01 11:01 PM

Excellent test its not FAST its actually LIGHTNING FAST :)
After opening the puzzle booklet and saw the first puzzle I was thinking "Did I open the right pdf?, Are these the puzzles?"
Looks like the test is designed to test the capability of entering the answer keys without errors :D.

The test is really fun, especially the last one. Looking forward to more of such tests.

Thanks and Regards,
Ravi

@ 2014-04-02 12:11 AM (#14736 - in reply to #14641) (#14736) Top

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bob posted @ 2014-04-02 12:11 AM

I am only able to view the first page. I have re-downloaded it several times. Is this intentional?

Bob
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logik66 posted @ 2014-04-02 12:26 AM

I cannot open the right document, only the instruction booklet which i cannot print?!
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logik66 posted @ 2014-04-02 1:02 AM

I understood.
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bob posted @ 2014-04-02 2:31 AM

Still trying to get this to work. Only LMI contest I've ever had technical trouble with. First page appears normal, other nine just say "PDF" No amount of clicking or reloading does anything else. Oh well I solved two of them for last place!
@ 2014-04-02 4:30 AM (#14740 - in reply to #14641) (#14740) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2014-04-02 4:30 AM

Good. I too initially thought this as IB. After downloading thrice and failing to print, I realized the PB. The first contest I finished full and got bonus points. Good fun on fools day. Thanks
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WA1729 posted @ 2014-04-02 6:21 AM

I can't believe that it took me ten seconds to figure out the Heyawake.
@ 2014-04-02 9:17 AM (#14743 - in reply to #14641) (#14743) Top

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digant posted @ 2014-04-02 9:17 AM

Hi,
I can not see the puzzles(FAST) in PB. It is all solved one. How can I attach a screen shot.
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Yuhei Kusui posted @ 2014-04-02 10:49 AM

I'm interested how the point allocation has been decided :-)
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debmohanty posted @ 2014-04-02 11:51 AM

Yuhei Kusui - 2014-04-02 10:49 AM

I'm interested how the point allocation has been decided :-)
All I can say, on behalf of the author (which also means I am not the author), the points distribution is not random.
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-02 2:50 PM

Sooo... Guess who.

I am the author of the test.

Thank you for everyone that has participated (although the test is still running!), and I hope you had fun. It was my idea to put an April Fools test on LMI. Initially my idea was 12x12 puzzles with trivial answer keys, but Deb gave a different idea of making the puzzles as small as possible, and so you see it: my Fillomino scores the lowest number of cells in a puzzle on LMI ever. (I intentionally didn't put 1x1, because one might see the Fillomino to have only one answer key field before starting. Also if an empty 1x2 is still unique, why not? Nurikabe was different; Deb liked a previous version with 12x12 and that 17 replaced with 136, so there, the hardest puzzle of the test. Heyawake came close as second.)

Congratulations to xevs, at the moment, to hold the fastest time of 153 seconds, thus also amassing the highest score on LMI ever with nearly 43.5 thousand points (unless someone knocks him from the top place on this contest). About me being on the scoreboard? That was a test entry (which Deb didn't remove...), with the sole penalty being a Hitori that was updated about 20-30 minutes before test started and Deb hasn't changed the answer key meanwhile. (I excused for "typo" to some people that asked me.)

As it turns out, even this test is still not perfect, with some people having technical problems... But most importantly a person that struggled with the test, finishing 18 puzzles with 44 penalties and timed out. Oops, I should have removed the examples from the Puzzle Booklet; looks like he tried to solve the examples from what the records say.

auroux - 2014-04-02 1:03 AM

Meh... Nice joke but no fun for those of us who were looking forward to a puzzle contest :( With 4x4 grids this could have been much better.


If this runs on and I turn out to author the next April Fools Contest...well, expect the unexpected. :P

macherlakumar - 2014-04-02 2:01 AM

Excellent test its not FAST its actually LIGHTNING FAST :)


Did you notice the footer in the Puzzle Booklet? ;)

Again, thank you for your participation! Please rate the puzzles too.




Time to ask about the technical problems.

bob - 2014-04-02 5:31 AM

Still trying to get this to work. Only LMI contest I've ever had technical trouble with. First page appears normal, other nine just say "PDF" No amount of clicking or reloading does anything else. Oh well I solved two of them for last place!


Can you attach a screenshot or something? The PB is intentionally designed to be not printable and not editable, but selectable (the images can be copied); I might mess up with something when fiddling with those unusual settings.
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xevs posted @ 2014-04-02 2:53 PM

I hope I could do better to score over 50,000, since I think this is the last chance to get such a high score ;o)
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-02 2:56 PM

Next time I author a test, I'll make the total score 1,000,000. :P

Oh, because it was missing from the post above... Take the puzzle scores, subtract 50 from each, and convert to letter. ;)
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Administrator posted @ 2014-04-02 2:58 PM

The above post by xevs is intentionally made public (to see if someone can take the challenge and get 50K)
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meowme posted @ 2014-04-02 3:52 PM

Hang on... Am I seeing things wrongly, or is the total (raw) score 1273 points, such that 50000 points requires completion in roughly 1.5 minutes? Surely I'm miscounting? Even the 20 answer keys need more than that...
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Realshaggy posted @ 2014-04-02 4:46 PM

Wow.

Thank you! I always dreamed of finishing a contest! And I beat Michael Ley too. I think, this is the best time to retire :-)
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rvarun posted @ 2014-04-02 6:59 PM

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April Fool...... This is my first LMI Test to be completed. What a surprise... Didnt expect it to turn out like this after seeing the Points Distribution. :-D

Luckily I don't have a Printer. Nurikabe needed MS Paint to solve.
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meowme posted @ 2014-04-02 7:40 PM

Oh bother. I blame a lack of sleep for a lack of humour. Having said that, it's late Wednesday night here, so the joke's worn off a bit...
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kishy72 posted @ 2014-04-02 8:05 PM

Utter stupidity...never knew that this was a prank until pras told me...but it is pure disgusting to play a prank this way....
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kishy72 posted @ 2014-04-02 8:09 PM

add to this the things that I did.... bought Airtel smartbytes,called the printer service Engineer earlier in the day thinking that the problem might be on my side...Did not expect such a stupid joke from LMI and whoever is the brain behind this stupid joke purely sucks!
@ 2014-04-02 8:59 PM (#14756 - in reply to #14641) (#14756) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-02 8:59 PM

...the PB has a large tip box at top-right corner of the first page. That was exactly my concern, but I decided putting such large box will be a clear warning.

Sorry for taking the test not on April 1st. Next time we'll make sure the test is open only for that one day, even if that spoils the fact that it's an April Fools test.

@meowme: Yes, that's 1.5 minutes. Assuming you already expect this to be an April Fools test and is used to solve things on computer, that's not really unreasonable...
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kishy72 posted @ 2014-04-02 9:57 PM

chaotic_iak - 2014-04-02 8:59 PM

...the PB has a large tip box at top-right corner of the first page. That was exactly my concern, but I decided putting such large box will be a clear warning.

Sorry for taking the test not on April 1st. Next time we'll make sure the test is open only for that one day, even if that spoils the fact that it's an April Fools test.



Large tip Box?Don't fool around.It just says "Do not print this PB".It never says you CAN'T print this PB and you know something? I did start this test on April 1st and it doesn't matter when I take the test as I still would have been fooled just like many others here even if I had taken it on a 1st ,a 2nd or a 3rd .In fact I even asked Deb yesterday to cancel my start feeling that the problem is created due to my slow net speed.I was careful not to take even a glance at the puzzles thinking that it would be unfair to ask for a re-start after that.But I was never told yesterday that this was some stupid joke.

Let me say you something.I am not against people playing pranks on April Fools day but this JUST ISN'T the place to try out your monkey antics (or of anyone else' for that matter) nor should the jokes be in such a way that it hurts others in some way .Just because you don't have anything better to do doesn't mean that everyone in here would be the same way.My earnest advice at this point is to scrap this crappy test immediately and I sincerely hope that the April Contest coming up next is also not crap like this .This is just for the benefit of other LMI members and not for me as I have decided to skip the April contest .I don't want to be fooled again nor waste my time on stupid stuff like these.By playing out this 'high octane drama' along with you , LMI has made a fool not just of its members but of itself too.
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Bram28 posted @ 2014-04-02 10:16 PM

Ha ha, I hadn't been the victim of an April Fool's joke for a couple of years. Took me a full 10 seconds before I realized what the first puzzle even was! Well done!
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-02 10:35 PM

kishy72 - 2014-04-03 12:57 AM

Large tip Box?Don't fool around.It just says "Do not print this PB".It never says you CAN'T print this PB


Exactly; because I said "do not print this PB", one that finds the PB cannot be printed should actually suspect that the PB is intentionally designed not to be printable.

As for the rest, I'll leave that to your judgment. Just don't participate in the next April Fools test (if there's any) if you don't want to be hurt to discover it's an elaborate prank.
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karzym posted @ 2014-04-02 11:14 PM

got stuck on puzzle #2, pls halp ;/

Edited by karzym 2014-04-02 11:14 PM
@ 2014-04-02 11:24 PM (#14765 - in reply to #14641) (#14765) Top

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Nola posted @ 2014-04-02 11:24 PM

Wonderful!!! I expected some Aprils Fool prank, so I intentionally waited for the second day of the month and test. As it was still there, I started the test, copied the password without reading, wanted to print the file - it did not work. Next thing I detected was the box which said "no printing" so only then I did a first look on the puzzle. When I realized it is solveable anyway, I started to solve and wanted to see how much time I need to be without error. After finishing I was on place 30 - my best result on an LMI contest ever. Looking forward to the final result after end of test - I think this test is very funny!!! Thanks for it!!!
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achan1058 posted @ 2014-04-03 2:52 AM

It took me a minute before I realized that the whole thing is a joke. At first I was like, "All I see are the instructions, where are the puzzles?" After that, it was a case of "How fast can I solve these by just eye-balling?" In the end, I had to scribble on my desk for the Scrabble.

Anyways, when can we have a genuine Sprint test again?

Edited by achan1058 2014-04-03 3:00 AM
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brecher92 posted @ 2014-04-03 7:52 AM

Another strange technical issue -- I completed the contest at 6:58 but it didn't register that I was done until 11:25. I clicked "submit all answers" at least three times and refreshed the contest page twice before the clock finally stopped. Issue with Chrome perhaps?
@ 2014-04-03 10:14 AM (#14770 - in reply to #14641) (#14770) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-03 10:14 AM

Don't worry, I see you being registered to finish at 6:58.
@ 2014-04-03 1:54 PM (#14771 - in reply to #14641) (#14771) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2014-04-03 1:54 PM

Well done Ivan.
I hope all participants understand it was just silly fun, we have plenty of serious contests.
The only down-side is I was looking forward to an hour of puzzles, but I'm just too awesomely fast...

On a side-note, are the scores calculated correctly? It seems the raw total on the score table is about 1800, not 1200?
@ 2014-04-03 4:01 PM (#14772 - in reply to #14771) (#14772) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2014-04-03 4:01 PM

kiwijam - 2014-04-03 1:54 PM

On a side-note, are the scores calculated correctly? It seems the raw total on the score table is about 1800, not 1200?
Fixed. xevs loses 14000 points :-(
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-03 5:22 PM

Yeah, I also just realized that the scores were wrong. After fixing, xevs' score is now near 30 thousand points; still a new record for LMI though. :P
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meowme posted @ 2014-04-03 6:22 PM

1. In my defense, (now that I've done the 'test'), I previously thought that this was a 'proper' test, and that my computer showed the multiplier as 60/time instead of (60-time). But well, 5 minutes of good fun :)

2. This test would be really fun as a genuine sprint test, with small 6x6 grids (or there-about) and these 20 classics.

3. The nurikabe was probably thrice as hard as most of the other questions. It's all relative, of course.

4. Phew. Not counted into LMI ratings :D

5. How did only 80% get the last question right?

Edited by meowme 2014-04-03 6:25 PM
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-03 7:04 PM

1. Indeed the multiplier is 60/time.

2. To be honest I picked the puzzle genres that a) make good answer keys that can fool people, and b) have good small puzzles, in that order.

3 is courtesy of Deb. See above. My variation would be something like 2x2 or 1xn.

5. Not everyone is familiar with that, plus it's not culture-neutral?
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brecher92 posted @ 2014-04-03 9:36 PM

chaotic_iak - 2014-04-03 12:14 AM

Don't worry, I see you being registered to finish at 6:58.


I guess someone fixed it in the results table after I posted...?

In retrospect, I think I accidentally tripped on a bug in the Java applet. After I logged in, but before I got the password, I clicked on the "1-10" and "11-20" links just to see how the answer input worked. Somewhere along the line (after I got the password I think) the response boxes for 1-10 appeared twice -- back-to-back -- at the 1-10 link. Ditto for the 11-20 boxes at the 11-20 link.

After I entered all 20 solutions in the first sets of boxes, nothing happened when I tried to enter the solutions again in the second sets of boxes, but I think the applet still read them as unanswered questions somehow.


If I have time between now and 11:59 UTC, I can create a dummy account and see if I can replicate what happened.


[Moderators, please move this to another forum if appropriate)

Edited by brecher92 2014-04-03 9:37 PM
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mathcrazy posted @ 2014-04-03 9:57 PM

What is #Pen in the scores page?
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mathcrazy posted @ 2014-04-03 10:02 PM

I first scrolled through PB and found the last puzzle, and saw all example puzzles of IB in PB. So I figured it was an April Fool's contest and started typing the answer of example puzzle until I figured out where the REAL puzzles were located, lol.. They were TINY... Almost didn't notice at first..
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Valezius posted @ 2014-04-03 10:58 PM

mathcrazy - 2014-04-03 9:57 PM

What is #Pen in the scores page?


Penalty, number of wrong submissions.
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ksun48 posted @ 2014-04-04 1:42 AM

Awww.... I am very disappointed that this contest will not count for score.
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kiwijam posted @ 2014-04-04 1:45 AM

debmohanty - 2014-04-03 11:01 PM
Fixed. xevs loses 14000 points :-(

(sorry Ko. but still impressive!)
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Zormac posted @ 2014-04-04 1:59 AM

Oh man, this Nurikabe puzzle was HUUUUGE!!!
@ 2014-04-04 2:25 AM (#14788 - in reply to #14641) (#14788) Top

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MellowMelon posted @ 2014-04-04 2:25 AM

Darn, I might have saved a few seconds if I had realized sooner that I didn't need to solve the scrabble; there was only one possibility for the answer key regardless.

Thanks for the test. Too bad I couldn't beat 50000. :(
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Joo M.Y posted @ 2014-04-04 4:41 AM

Wow, Excellent puzzle set!
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2014-04-04 7:41 AM

Congratulations for MellowMelon to win the whole thing, getting past xevs with 119 seconds! Now MellowMelon is the holder of the record of most points in one test (38.5 thousands plus), at least until some person decides to make a test scoring a total of 1,000,000. *wink*

Thank you for everyone participating! A more comprehensive post is written here.

Edited by chaotic_iak 2014-04-04 7:41 AM