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Country : India | Vote for the Tapa variations that you would want to see in TVC XVIIIWe are preparing TVC XVIII puzzles considering result of the poll. 6 Most voted variations will be directly placed in TVC XVIII. You can choose upto 5 variations.
- Scroll up in this thread to see variations that you can vote for.
- The list of all variations can be found here.
- Please vote for only 5 types (although the poll system will allow you to vote for more).
- You can view the poll results summary only after you have voted.
- Voting ends on 10th of January.
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Country : India | Please note that voting ends on 10th of January. |
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debmohanty
Country : India | Question in email -
I can see the options, but I don't know how to vote. There is no button to select.
You need to be logged on to forum to be able to vote. |
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2016-01-08 6:15 AM Why restrict to 1-5 votes?
Basically we are just offering a Yes vote to the variations we like.
If we like most of them, but dislike 2 or 3, then we can vote accordingly? (And vice versa) |
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debmohanty
Country : India | kiwijam - 2016-01-08 6:15 AM
Why restrict to 1-5 votes?
Basically we are just offering a Yes vote to the variations we like.
If we like most of them, but dislike 2 or 3, then we can vote accordingly? (And vice versa)
I had a word with Serkan and he is what we feel - the difference is very thin between "limiting to 5" and "not limiting at all".
Right now, we are asking vote "upto" 5 variations. One is free to choose less than 5 certainly.
If we don't put a limit and some players start voting for 7 or 8 variations (all Tapa variations are likeable, aren't they : ) ), then the importance of their vote will reduce a lot.
Anyway, as I mentioned, we think the difference is really small. We can try our your idea in next poll.
Reminder - Voting closes in another 10 hours, as I post this. |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | kiwijam meant voting 7-8 variations that people like is identical to voting 2-3 variations that people /don't/ like. So allowing voting more can give people the option to vote for variations they /don't/ want to see in the test, instead of what they want to see. |
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Country : India | Voting for TVC XVIII is closed now. As announced, we will include the top 6 voted variations (Tapa Connection, Tapa LITS, Tapa - Like Loop, Different Tapa, Not Alone Tapa & Tapa Scrabble) in the contest.
Many thanks to the 45 players who participated in this voting.
Voting for TVC XIX will be open in about a week.
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-01-12 9:00 PM Is there an ETA on the instruction booklet? |
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Country : India | |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | In Black Hole Tapa, it says Black Holes may touch each other diagonally. Does that mean they cannot touch orthogonally? I feel that's a better way to put it. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | prasanna16391 - 2016-01-13 5:41 PM
In Black Hole Tapa, it says Black Holes may touch each other diagonally. Does that mean they cannot touch orthogonally? I feel that's a better way to put it.
Yes you are right, my mistake. I wrote this one as considering the Tapa have just one Black Hole in each row and column, but the actuall puzzle may have more than once. So, Black Holes may touch each other orthogonally and diagonally. I'll rewrite the sentence. |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | I assume, in the example for Different Tapa, R4C1 should be shaded? |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | chaotic_iak - 2016-01-13 6:29 PM
I assume, in the example for Different Tapa, R4C1 should be shaded?
Absolutely right, it will be added in v2 |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-01-14 11:13 AM |
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Country : India | An updated version of IB uploaded with following 2 changes.
yureklis - 2016-01-13 5:59 PM
prasanna16391 - 2016-01-13 5:41 PM
In Black Hole Tapa, it says Black Holes may touch each other diagonally. Does that mean they cannot touch orthogonally? I feel that's a better way to put it.
Yes you are right, my mistake. I wrote this one as considering the Tapa have just one Black Hole in each row and column, but the actuall puzzle may have more than once. So, Black Holes may touch each other orthogonally and diagonally. I'll rewrite the sentence. yureklis - 2016-01-13 6:38 PM
chaotic_iak - 2016-01-13 6:29 PM
I assume, in the example for Different Tapa, R4C1 should be shaded?
Absolutely right, it will be added in v2 |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-01-15 8:46 AM |
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Kota
Posts: 33
Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2016-01-15 9:02 AM I don't know how to answer Tapa-Like Loop. For example, if there is an answer key in Row 2 of the example in IB, which will be right, 212 or 23? |
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brecher92
Posts: 30
Country : United States | For the 4x4 tapa, if there is an arrow at the left of the grids, do I enter the number of cells from just the leftmost grid, or from the two grids all the way across? |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | brecher92 - 2016-01-15 8:47 PM
For the 4x4 tapa, if there is an arrow at the left of the grids, do I enter the number of cells from just the leftmost grid, or from the two grids all the way across?
Each of the grid will have own arrows. So for your example, just for the lefmost grid. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | Kota - 2016-01-15 9:02 AM
I don't know how to answer Tapa-Like Loop. For example, if there is an answer key in Row 2 of the example in IB, which will be right, 212 or 23?
We missed the exception of this one in the IB. We'll update of the IB and we'll add it to PB with example to avoid any confussion. Thanks for your remark.
The answer format will be: "Write the lengths of the separate line segments lying towards the marked rows/columns." |
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Country : India |  | | AnnouncementsPassword protected puzzle has 11 pages (including a cover page with points table)
Time bonus will be computed after you click 'Claim Bonus'
Penalty will be given irrespective of correctness of submission
Contest Length : 75 minutes
Total Points : 1000
Bonus : 4 points per minute saved (Computed upto seconds)
Grace Period : 5 minutes
Penalty : 6 points per minute used (Computed upto seconds)
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Country : India | Contest has started. |
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Pashetka
Posts: 1
Country : Ukraine | Password is wrong. I can't open Puzzle Booklet |
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aldentea
Posts: 10
Country : Japan | The captions of Not Alone Tapa(2) are printed "8A,8B,8C" instead of "8D,8E,8F"... |
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Country : India | aldentea - 2016-01-16 5:06 PM
The captions of Not Alone Tapa(2) are printed "8A,8B,8C" instead of "8D,8E,8F"... Fixed. |
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rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-01-16 7:32 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Thanks Fatih and Serkan for another great set of puzzles. I didn't quite manage to finish in time this time around, will have to wait for other results to judge that. It certainly felt like solving closer to the limit than on the previous contest. One genuine mistake due to reading a 115 as 15 in the second Tapa-Like Loop, should have noticed it wasn't unique that way. Some of the logic on the hard Loop escaped me, but I really enjoyed it on the resolve. The second Tapa LITS was a very satisfying solve, though considering my points/time, it seems it took me too long to see the classic Tapa connectivity break. Maybe there was a quicker way in via LITS? Scrabble was slow, Connection fast (one of my favourites ). I found the Not Alone Tapas to be quite strange but very fun to solve. I'm learning to really like Dissected Tapa, Black Hole had some very elegant logic of which I missed half... 4x4 is also really interesting, somewhat similar to Dissected. I wasted a bit of time on that one, having to restart after finding almost the correct solution. A great set, thank you again! |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-16 9:00 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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kousek-nebe
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Country : Czech Republic | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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brecher92
Posts: 30
Country : United States | For Black Hole, can a single cell contain multiple black holes? And if so, are they additive? |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-17 7:57 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2016-01-17 9:10 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Many thanks to the authors. I found the second LITs was toughest (pointwise ). I'm lucky I didn't finish 5 minutes earlier, because then I would have clicked "Claim Bonus" and stopped. But because there's no bonus to claim in the last 5 minutes, instead I thought I should double-check a couple of answer keys, specifically the 4x4 which I'd filled in on one grid only. And quickly spotted an answer entry error, so was able to fix it and avoid losing 40 points! |
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ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2016-01-17 12:13 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-17 3:32 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Hotel
Posts: 11
Country : Japan | Hotel posted @ 2016-01-17 5:58 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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peluri
Posts: 26
Country : Finland | peluri posted @ 2016-01-17 6:23 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-17 9:09 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Tapa Connection, in particular, was a beautiful puzzle. |
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TiiT
Posts: 139
Country : Estonia | TiiT posted @ 2016-01-17 9:28 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
Got very lucky with Not Alone high pointer as well as 4x4 Tapa where I just completely intuited it. Made a huge mess of the Black Hole, and really didn't expect such a good result. My favorite was definitely Tapa Connection. |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | rob - 2016-01-16 7:32 PM
The second Tapa LITS was a very satisfying solve, though considering my points/time, it seems it took me too long to see the classic Tapa connectivity break. Maybe there was a quicker way in via LITS?
I did use the connectivity break forced by the 1-1-2, which meant the Tapa must travel via the last two columns. Knowing this, out of the two configurations for the 3-1-1 clue, the one where the "3" is "above" it basically forces the 1-2 clue to be used twice before it goes up which contradicts things for the 7.
Scrabble was quick for me because I took a gamble and mainly focused on drawing lines dependent on size of words, starting with 4 being minimum. This actually ends up solving most of the puzzle to a point where you get both the 4-length areas which means you can do two things, extend the others to at least 5, and also get some words in. I just filled in the letters in the connection spots and was able to complete it this way. |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-18 2:24 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-01-18 8:32 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | I have a different complaint | |
My two complaints about the layout is that I thought the Tapa-Like Loop puzzles were a bit small. Especially because clue numbers get smaller the more you put in a cell. The other is that I get why the words were organised this way, but I don't really like disorganised lists. Preferably organised by size and alphabetical for me. I did a lot on instinct this round. The general connections of the Tapa Connection, the words in Tapa Scrabble, the 4x4 Tapa, the Tapa with Borders. Everything I thought should work out this way was correct. A bit weird of an experience for me. |
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rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-01-18 6:40 PM Para - 2016-01-18 8:32 AM
The other is that I get why the words were organised this way, but I don't really like disorganised lists. Preferably organised by size and alphabetical for me.
I didn't mind that so much, but fixed width would really be nice. |
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prezensky
Posts: 2
Country : Romania | If have a typing error in a submitted answer, it's possible to correct from admin, after the ending from test ? I wrote 5 and not 6. Thanks. Prezensky (Romania) |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
I think I find them much more difficult, with not a lot of logical paths going on; I distinctly recall bifurcating several times, and taking many leaps of faith, especially for the second Tapa LITS. Although that might also be because I did it while somewhat tired. |
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Jacoblance
Posts: 9
Country : United States | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Darn. I lost 200 points from answer key mistakes, dropping from 10th to 19th. (at the time of writing this. ) I really should probably dedicate the last few minutes of these tests to very carefully checking it because that is the most annoying way to lose points. Other than that, the puzzles were really fun again to solve, and Para's puzzles always are really good to prepare, especially for intuition on types like Not Alone and Dissected. Edited by Jacoblance 2016-01-20 1:54 AM
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-20 2:29 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | I was getting most of the puzzles. But then I broke 3 puzzles. And lost lots of time, as well as points. Puzzles were all really cool. Have to try remaining though yet. My favorite were Tapa Connection, Different Tapa and Black hole from among the ones i solved so far.
I wasted Borders Tapa like 14 min and was getting wrong grid every time, and realized i am doing something wrong. I started over again, and just took 1 min to do it. Somehow i eliminated the possibility in 1st step itself, don't know why, but at the end that was the answer. No wonder, even after 14 min I could get nothing.
In last 15 min, I broke 4x4 Tapa. which I couldn't recover from my mistake. So Almost in such short test, I wasted like 20-25 min. So could have done lot better.
Black Hole tapa, i was afraid of, but looking at puzzle during contest, I thought I can attempt it, and well luck favors the brave, it solved logically and flawlessly.
Anyways, wonderful test and beautiful puzzles.
Edited by swaroop2011 2016-01-20 4:40 AM
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tamz29
Posts: 225
Country : Thailand | tamz29 posted @ 2016-01-20 6:43 AM Thanks for the puzzles!
Decided to go for the three-highest pointers and it took most of the solving time :( |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-20 6:46 AM | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
I like the 75-minute limit. |
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Nola
Posts: 18
Country : Germany | Nola posted @ 2016-01-20 2:00 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | A bit skewed | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Cordelia
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Country : United States | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | I have a different complaint | |
I did not receive credit for the "tapa-like loop" problems I did because I put the answers in the wrong format. Requiring us to read the directions AGAIN after we have already read the original instructions seems excessive. Even if I received credit for my answers, I think I would still be annoyed at the principle of the matter. |
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debmohanty
Country : India | Cordelia - 2016-01-21 8:27 AM
I did not receive credit for the "tapa-like loop" problems I did because I put the answers in the wrong format. Requiring us to read the directions AGAIN after we have already read the original instructions seems excessive. Even if I received credit for my answers, I think I would still be annoyed at the principle of the matter. We didn't have a chance to review the claims yet. If the answer is wrong format, but otherwise correct and sufficiently demonstrates that puzzle is solved correctly, you will get points.
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Country : India | Solutions booklet uploaded ( Link) |
TVC XVIII — 16th January - 19th January 2016