|
|
Administrator
   
Country : India |
Click on the logo above for Instructions booklet and other details
|
|
Administrator
Country : India |
Logic Masters India announces January Puzzle Test — Toketa? Selection
Dates : 30 th Jan - 1 st Feb
Instruction Booklet & Submission : Link
Authors : Atsumi Hirose, Gomatamago, Ken Endo, Ko Okamoto, Serkan Yürekli, Shinichi Aoki, Takeya Saikachi, Yuki Kawabe, Yuta Nagata
|
|
awolf
Posts: 2
Country : United States | awolf posted @ 2016-01-26 10:34 PM I'm having trouble understanding how exactly the outside clues work for the Summon puzzle. Can someone please help explain? |
|
rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-01-27 4:19 AM awolf - 2016-01-26 10:34 PM
I'm having trouble understanding how exactly the outside clues work for the Summon puzzle. Can someone please help explain?
The digits in a row (or column ) are grouped into numbers which may consist of multiple digits, separated by blanks. These are then summed up to form the clues. E.g., if a row is "1w23ww21" (with "w" for white cells ), the clue would be 1+23+21 = 45. |
|
awolf
Posts: 2
Country : United States | awolf posted @ 2016-01-27 6:13 AM Oh! Thank you very much. |
|
thesubro
Posts: 23
Country : United States | On the Max Arrow Castle Wall puzzle, can arrows in a cell indicate that the maximum total lengths of segments in all directions within the puzzle area equal 0, or must the maximum length be a positive number? Thanks. TheSubro
Edited by thesubro 2016-01-28 12:30 AM
|
|
deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2016-01-28 3:30 AM thesubro - 2016-01-28 12:22 AM
On the Max Arrow Castle Wall puzzle, can arrows in a cell indicate that the maximum total lengths of segments in all directions within the puzzle area equal 0, or must the maximum length be a positive number? Thanks. TheSubro
Maximum value can be 0. In this case, arrows are drawn in all possible directions. |
|
chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | By all possible directions, does that include, say, an edge clue pointing to the edge itself? |
|
deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2016-01-28 12:57 PM chaotic_iak - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
By all possible directions, does that include, say, an edge clue pointing to the edge itself?
Good question. "All possible directions" mean "All 4 directions" even for edge clues and corner clues. |
|
Administrator
Country : India |
 | Practice BookletLike their previous contests, the authors have prepared a booklet with practice puzzles. This booklet has 14 puzzles from 8 different types appearing in this test.
Download Link | |
|
|
chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | So Symmetry Area is just Fillomino with regions having 180-degree rotational symmetry?
In the Meandering Words example, R3C4 can be unshaded with the solution still unique? (So I can understand a region without shaded cell from the example.) |
|
deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2016-01-29 11:03 AM chaotic_iak - 2016-01-29 1:52 AM
So Symmetry Area is just Fillomino with regions having 180-degree rotational symmetry?
In the Meandering Words example, R3C4 can be unshaded with the solution still unique? (So I can understand a region without shaded cell from the example.)
You are right in both questions. Regarding Meandering Words, some regions do not contain a shaded cell in the actual test. This means you can start the word from any cell in that region. |
|
Administrator
Country : India | |
|
Administrator
Country : India | |
|
chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Compass | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Angle Loop | |
A very nice test. Puzzles were nice in difficulty, and especially nice in aesthetics and solving path; I enjoyed every minute of it. Some puzzles, thanks to their genres (read: Symmetry Area, Compass, Curve Data, Angle Loop for example ), are much more solvable using intuition, making educated guesses instead of using deductions and theorems. Others are solvable using deduction with a very clean solving path, most notably Max Arrow Castle Wall 1; first attempt by intuition didn't lead anywhere, and second attempt by logic immediately led to the solution (with a few mistakes because there were 3 minutes left ). I've been trying to compile a list of favorite puzzles in this test, but I would mention a majority of the puzzles this way, so that's perhaps enough to say that the whole test was a very pleasant experience. But a special mention to Araf 2, anyway; that's an absolutely gorgeous puzzle, with givens that form a perfect pattern, that when I saw it I thought "wow, this can have a unique solution?" (It does. ) The only puzzle that I didn't solve was Max Arrow Castle Wall 2, which I didn't have time to attempt anyway; I should revisit it. |
|
An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-30 5:14 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Meandering Words | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Summon | |
|
|
rakesh_rai
Posts: 774
Country : India | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Sunglasses | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Statue Park | |
|
|
Nilz
Posts: 29
Country : United Kingdom | Nilz posted @ 2016-01-30 7:19 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | New Tren | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Summon | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Sunglasses | |
Really nice test, and I'm glad to see that volume 4 is being worked on! :- ) I much prefer the ones that can be solved completely logically, rather than the ones with rubbers symbols, but all the puzzles were good quality anyway! The grid lines/ lattice points on the New Tren and the first Curve Data didn't print for me (although bizarrely they did on the second Curve Data ), did anyone else have that problem? I had to draw them in myself, which I think meant I submitted the 2nd Angle Loop about 1 second after time, which is a bit annoying! But a fun 2 hours anyway. |
|
debmohanty
Country : India | Nilz - 2016-01-30 7:19 PM
The grid lines/ lattice points on the New Tren and the first Curve Data didn't print for me (although bizarrely they did on the second Curve Data), did anyone else have that problem?
In most likelihood, this happens when you print directly from the browser. See this post for details. You might want to re-print the pdf after saving the file on your machine. |
|
Nilz
Posts: 29
Country : United Kingdom | Nilz posted @ 2016-01-31 12:37 AM debmohanty - 2016-01-30 4:20 PM
Nilz - 2016-01-30 7:19 PM
The grid lines/ lattice points on the New Tren and the first Curve Data didn't print for me (although bizarrely they did on the second Curve Data), did anyone else have that problem?
In most likelihood, this happens when you print directly from the browser. See this post for details. You might want to re-print the pdf after saving the file on your machine.
I'm sure you're right, thanks for the info, I'll try this next time. Just weird that it's not happened before. |
|
willwc
Posts: 12
Country : United States | willwc posted @ 2016-01-31 1:21 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Compass | |
An excellent set of puzzles. My thanks to the authors/organizers. I will also highly recommend the books to anyone who has not checked them out before. |
|
rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-01-31 2:58 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Symmetry Area | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Angle Loop | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | |
An expectedly brilliant test. I love the books, the contest matched their quality. Thank you! It's hard to choose favourites; somehow I always tend towards the ones that gave me most trouble. That's the Symmetry Area here: I couldn't solve either of those until revisiting them later, kept not seeing ways that things could resolve. And once you've figured out 11/19, the 8 doesn't work! Then I'll vote for Angle Loop anytime because the type is so good, as were the puzzles. Other than that, the harder Meandering Words seemed easy, but I still broke it. It's hard to find errors in those. And somewhat annoyingly I fixed an error in Summon 2 first in one entry code line, then in the other. |
|
prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Graffiti Snake | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | |
I was a bit apprehensive going into this for two reasons. 1 ) I haven't managed to solve a single medium+ Angle Loop till now. 2 ) I am really bad at intuition/guessing. Considering that, the test went fine except for two puzzles. One of them is that Symmetry Area puzzle which was beautiful to look at until I had to attack it with around 10 erasings (mainly because I didn't want to get to the Angle Loop ) in multiple re-visits across the test duration. I'm probably just missing something simple and doing silly things repeatedly. I managed to solve the easier Angle Loop which is a big achievement in itself, and I still can't get the bigger one to work. If not for my shortcomings in these two puzzles I'd have a really nice result. |
|
An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-01 7:00 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Summon | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Compass | |
|
|
forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | One of the best contests of recent times. Very innovative and very logical. based more on logical solving capacity rather than on speed. I liked it a lot, in spite of spending an awful lot of time on the first symmetry area (I managed to solve it only after the end) and still can't figure out how to sort the bigger brother. Very elegant also the second angle loop. Thanks to the authors |
|
Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-02-01 9:04 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | New Tren | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Compass | |
As expected, the last Angle Loop broke me up for the last 10-15 minutes. It's a type that really doesn't suit me. I took a while afterwards to get it. I enjoyed all puzzles without a little eraser as the other ones caused some unnecessary problems. Not a bad performance overall though. |
|
ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2016-02-01 1:00 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Graffiti Snake | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Sunglasses | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Meandering Words | |
|
|
An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-01 7:31 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many medium difficult puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Sunglasses | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Curve Data | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Statue Park | |
|
|
Gotroch
Posts: 83
Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2016-02-02 7:30 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | New Tren | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Compass | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Sunglasses | |
|
|
debmohanty
Country : India | Solutions booklet uploaded.
It also has a listing of which author created which puzzles and original version of Angle Loop (2 ), which is more challenging than the one that appeared in the contest. |
|
debmohanty
Country : India | Congratulations to Robert for winning this one, he is way ahead of Bram (2nd) and James (3rd). While I personally don't own the book, I have seen the very impressive stuff. They are of very high quality, and the contest puzzles certainly matched to them. Thanks very much to the authors.
I'm yet to solve all the puzzles (especially Symmetric Area and Angle Loop), but my favourites so far have been Araf, Sunglasses and Graffiti Snake.
|
|
debmohanty
Country : India | Not so important statistics - While Japan has the highest number of participants in this test, there is none from Japan in top 10. That is first time in any LMI puzzle test. I suppose the only way to keep them out of the top is ask them to author tests :)
|
|
vopani
Posts: 739
Country : India | vopani posted @ 2016-02-02 1:49 PM debmohanty - 2016-02-02 10:20 AM
Not so important statistics - While Japan has the highest number of participants in this test, there is none from Japan in top 10. That is first time in any LMI puzzle test. I suppose the only way to keep them out of the top is ask them to author tests :)
Wow! No wonder Prasanna keeps asking when will Japan host the WPC :- )
|
|
yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | debmohanty - 2016-02-02 10:20 AM
Not so important statistics - While Japan has the highest number of participants in this test, there is none from Japan in top 10. That is first time in any LMI puzzle test. I suppose the only way to keep them out of the top is ask them to author tests :)
Ahhhaaaa cool :D |
|
An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-02 6:20 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Compass | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Statue Park | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Max Arrow Castle Wall | |
|
|
chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | Well, barely missing top three. Still targeting for a top three so I can get my name mentioned. :P |
|
rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-02-02 10:54 PM Wow, I can't say I expected a chance to win, let alone by such a margin. Of course some factors played to my advantage: most Japanese top solvers didn't compete, the puzzles and types were on the geometric side and intuition-friendly, I own and have solved most of the three existing Toketa books. Still, very happy, thanks again!
I think the second Angle Loop is a great puzzle, I prefer it to the original from the solution booklet: I feel it sets up the final trick very elegantly. Of course that's after having figured it out quickly, I might well think differently otherwise... |
|
kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2016-02-03 2:42 AM Very well done to Rob, we are having a good start to the year!
His first LMI victory, and my first LMI podium (if you don't include Riad's April optimising contests...).
I was on holiday all last week without my Toketa books (oh no!), so had no chance to prepare. Perhaps that made my mind 'fresher'?
I was doing well until the end approached, then I sat for 8 minutes looking at the "easy" Angle Loop and constantly penciling and erasing on that squares grid... curiously I had little trouble with the harder Angle Loop, it was logically solvable (although I was still slow to join it up).
Thank you to the authors, the puzzles were great, and nicer than the practise set. ;)
|
|
brecher92
Posts: 30
Country : United States | This looks like a great set of puzzles, but 2 hours in one sitting is just too much for me. In the future maybe two separate contests of 1 hour each? |
|
devarajand
Posts: 114
Country : India | Will some one post a walk through for both Angle loop puzzles |
|
ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2016-02-05 11:09 AM devarajand - 2016-02-04 8:51 AM
Will some one post a walk through for both Angle loop puzzles
For the first puzzle:
First the red. There is only one option for the obtuse vertex at the bottom. Also, the C has to connect down to the E, and you quickly run into problems if you try to connect it to B as well, so it has to connect to the acute vertex to the right.
Now the blue. There is only one way left to connect the H without cutting off the bottom right acute vertex, and the G then has to connect up to guarantee a single, non-crossing loop. The B then has only one option, then the D, then the A.
Finally the green connects up the last few vertices.
For the second puzzle, the right angle vertices are pretty constrained, so start with those. There is a clever trick you have to notice after this, but I thought it was very impressive so I don't want to spoil it in the forum (you can always check the solution pdf if you want to see it ). Edited by ghirsch 2016-02-05 11:17 AM
|
|
deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2016-02-06 1:01 PM Sorry for the late comment, but thanks for all participations and lots of positive feedbacks. And congratulations to Robert Vollmert for his dominant victory! My only regret is that I was sleeping while he was playing.
As we stated in the password, we've started working for Vol.4. If any readers have some suggestions to our book, such as "more hard puzzles", "less T&E puzzles" or any particular genre you want to solve, please let us know.
Here are two related links:
1. EKBM has posted his thoughts about this test in his blog (http://ekbm.blogspot.jp/). Logical solving path of Graffiti Snake 2 is beautiful and worth reading.
2. German website croco-puzzle (http://www.croco-puzzle.com/) is holding a daily competition of Toketa Puzzles. First two puzzles are New Tren by Silke Berendes. |
|
rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-02-07 12:33 AM Thanks James and Hideaki. James, you were definitely on the list of solvers that I was scared off while reloading the score page all weekend + Monday. And Hideaki, looking at the croco series, good thing you were test-solving! |
Toketa? Selection — LMI January Puzzle Test — 30th Jan to 1st Feb