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Country : India | /*
Sequel to one of the best puzzle tests at LMI.
Details coming really soon.
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | wow really excited. :) |
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kishy72
Posts: 419
Country : India | kishy72 posted @ 2013-11-23 7:31 PM Administrator - 2013-11-23 6:02 AM
/*
Sequel to one of the best puzzle tests at LMI.
Details coming really soon.
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Deb!If that statement is something to go by,I would place my bet on Akil Oyunlari!!! |
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tamz29
Posts: 225
Country : Thailand | tamz29 posted @ 2013-11-24 12:33 AM Fillomino Fillia 3 |
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Country : India |
Logic Masters India announces JPL2 — LMI November Puzzle Test
Dates : 30 th Nov — 2 nd Dec
Instruction Booklet & Submission : Link
Authors : Yosuke Imai, Daisuke Takei, Takeya Saikachi, Atsumi Hirose
Test Solvers : Yuka Jo & Hideaki Jo
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | Wonderful. I was ranked 162nd in JPL1. Time to continue the mad improvement in sequels
Really looking forward to this one. JPL1 falls under the category of "tests I wasn't fully able to appreciate when I just knew a handful of puzzle types". |
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mathcrazy
Posts: 35
Country : India | Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses? |
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deu
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Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2013-11-25 3:43 PM mathcrazy - 2013-11-25 3:04 PM
Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses?
This rule applies only to clued cells. So, for each cell in the grid, either "all possible directions are given" or "no information is given" must be true. I hope this is clear. |
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mathcrazy
Posts: 35
Country : India | deu - 2013-11-25 3:43 PM
mathcrazy - 2013-11-25 3:04 PM
Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses?
This rule applies only to clued cells. So, for each cell in the grid, either "all possible directions are given" or "no information is given" must be true. I hope this is clear.
Yes, that cleared my doubt. |
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tamz29
Posts: 225
Country : Thailand | tamz29 posted @ 2013-11-25 6:41 PM Number Connection: do all cells have to be used? |
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deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2013-11-25 6:51 PM tamz29 - 2013-11-25 6:41 PM
Number Connection: do all cells have to be used?
Not necessarily. There may be some unused cells. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2013-11-25 7:46 PM In Arrow Connection if an arrow appears twice around a cell, is an arrow given twice or once. I know it's not possible in the example as the start and goal are in the corners, but with different start and goal points, this could happen. For example, when you draw a spiral. |
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deu
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Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2013-11-25 9:01 PM Para - 2013-11-25 7:46 PM
In Arrow Connection if an arrow appears twice around a cell, is an arrow given twice or once. I know it's not possible in the example as the start and goal are in the corners, but with different start and goal points, this could happen. For example, when you draw a spiral.
Good question. An arrow is given only once even in such cases. |
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tnv
Posts: 22
Country : India | tnv posted @ 2013-11-27 10:16 PM Waiting for practice puzzles.
--TNV |
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Administrator
Country : India |
A practice puzzles PDF has now been posted on the submission site ( Link). Please note that some of the puzzles may be of a harder difficulty than their counterparts appearing in the test.
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rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2013-11-28 11:20 PM Thanks, that's quite a nice service! Really looking forward to the test now. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells".
so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ?
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deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2013-11-29 8:42 AM swaroop2011 - 2013-11-29 7:07 AM
In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells".
so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ?
All 5 cells are considered as one group. So, solutions like 7:1 6 | 4 7 6 :17 (two 6's in one group ) are not allowed. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | deu - 2013-11-29 8:42 AM
swaroop2011 - 2013-11-29 7:07 AM
In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells".
so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ?
All 5 cells are considered as one group. So, solutions like 7:1 6 | 4 7 6 :17 (two 6's in one group ) are not allowed.
ok thanks : ) |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | Practice puzzles are awesome! Gave us clear idea about how to think about these puzzles.
Looking forward to the test :) |
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Country : India | AnnouncementsUpdated versions of IB (with points table) uploaded
Password protected PB uploaded. It has 12 pages, each page has 2 puzzles
Bonus = 8 points per minute saved, if all answers are submitted and there is at most 1 small mistake.
Remember to enter unit digit only in case of two digit numbers. The submission page will check only for unit digit.
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ladyleatherneck
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Country : United States | I don't see the link for the password. What am I missing? thanks |
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Country : India | ladyleatherneck - 2013-11-30 7:44 PM
I don't see the link for the password. What am I missing? thanks You have to first login at the submission page ( http://logicmastersindia.com/2013/11P/ ). Then click on "Start Japanese Puzzle Land 2". You will see the password. From the database log, we see that you have not "started" the test yet. After you start, you will have 2 hours to solve and submit as many puzzles.
Please check the F.A.Q. which explains these steps with some images. Please post here if something is not clear. |
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ladyleatherneck
Posts: 4
Country : United States | Thanks. Looked to me like I was logged in. |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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auroux
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Country : France | auroux posted @ 2013-11-30 10:49 PM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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achan1058
Posts: 80
Country : Canada | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Clearly I should have done the practice first. Edited by achan1058 2013-12-01 4:48 AM
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | A nice test !! Awesome puzzles !
Especially Minimal Blocks and Four Winds with Blanks.
Have to solve other puzzles though.
Just 30 seconds more and i was entering the answer key for Four Winds with Blanks :(
Anyways still enjoyed. Thanks to Authors and LMI. :) |
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ukonet
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Country : Turkey | ukonet posted @ 2013-12-01 4:25 PM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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xevs
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Country : Japan | xevs posted @ 2013-12-01 7:46 PM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
I couldn't find elegant way to solve Yin-Yang top. (ToT )
My favorites were Number connection bottom and Four winds with blanks bottom. Edited by xevs 2013-12-01 7:51 PM
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kiwijam
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Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2013-12-02 7:15 AM xevs - 2013-12-02 2:46 AM
I couldn't find elegant way to solve Yin-Yang top. (ToT)
Hello Ko (and others ),
Please see my diagram.
I have put all the 'easy' logic in first.
Then I see the two red rectangles have the form:
B.B
B.W
which must become:
B.B
BWW
Later, I use the same rule in the green rectangles.
I think that is enough to finish.
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xevs
Posts: 43
Country : Japan | xevs posted @ 2013-12-02 9:33 AM Thank you KiwiJam!
That's what I need.
Now, I wonder why I couldn't notice that. (ToT) |
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TiiT
Posts: 139
Country : Estonia | TiiT posted @ 2013-12-02 3:17 PM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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TiiT
Posts: 139
Country : Estonia | TiiT posted @ 2013-12-02 4:09 PM I actually think that there were exactly right amount of puzzles, because of the amount of top solvers who were able to complete this competition within the time limit. There were just too many puzzles for me, but I think it's not bad (I would paint it green if I could). Anyway the puzzles were very interesting to solve, thanks to the authors!
TiiT |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | xevs - 2013-12-02 9:33 AM
Thank you KiwiJam!
That's what I need.
Now, I wonder why I couldn't notice that. (ToT)
Birthday Blues? |
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kishy72
Posts: 419
Country : India | kishy72 posted @ 2013-12-02 9:44 PM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
A delightful test!The moment i saw the puzzle types in the IB I knew that this puzzle test had something in it for me and was going to be one very interesting test.Certaintly the test far exceeded my expectations.My favourites out of the puzzles i have solved until now are Four winds 2 which had a very high fun level and utilised the following concept : 'a particular cell where no number can reach' exceptionally well ,Sky-scrapers 2 which had a very beautiful logic quite similar to the one i encountered in a recent daily league sudoku,Divided sum cross 2 My only disppointment is that i was unable to complete the Divided sum cross 2 despite starting it with close to 30 minutes on the clock.The puzzle was proceeding very smoothly for about 20 minutes until the point where for some mysterious reason ,my brain mis-interpreted the upward sum 13 clue to be a rightward clue which forced me to enter a 1 in addition to the 7 and 5 already present .The puzzle never broke until i was about to write the numbers in the last 2 cells!!!Unfortunately i had no time to notice where i had made the error let alone fix it.But this did not come even close to disrupting the good fun i had in solving the test. Thanks to all the Japanese authors for creating meticulously such beautiful hand-made puzzles.This test indeed deserves the tag of being one of the best LMI puzzle tests.Lastly ,is that some Yin Yang theorem going on above in the forum?!Why can't it be a BWB??? |
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Yuhei Kusui
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Country : Japan | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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tamz29
Posts: 225
Country : Thailand | tamz29 posted @ 2013-12-03 2:52 AM I liked Number Connection and the bottom Bar Graph was very beautiful.
Thanks to all authors for a nice test. |
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joshuazucker
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Country : United States | kishy, I had the same difficulty seeing that logic. I think the rule is "a region cannot touch itself only diagonally" because if it does that, then it must connect to itself somewhere else, but in doing so would have to split the other color's region into two groups. It's similar to the Cave/Corral rule of "the cave cannot touch itself diagonally" being very closely related to "all the non-cave walls have to connect to the outside".
So when you have
BB
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BW
you cannot turn that into
BB
WB
BW
or else the W's connecting will isolate the diagonal B's, and vice-versa if you connect the diagonal B's.
So it must be
BB
.W
BW
If I'm wrong about the logic here, I hope someone will correct me quickly! I am just starting to learn how to do these puzzles (thanks to kiwijam for the tip here!) |
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deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2013-12-03 7:23 AM |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2013-12-03 7:26 AM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Administrator
Country : India | JPL2 is now over.
The authors have been very kind to provide yet another set of "Extra" puzzles. These extra puzzles, solutions to the test puzzles and history of the puzzles types can be found here. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | awesome thanks for extra practice puzzles :) |
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megu
Posts: 9
Country : India | megu posted @ 2013-12-03 11:31 AM Many many thanks to the authors for the extra puzzles! :) I am new to solving puzzles and I did not fare well in this test. These extra puzzles will be of a great help to me so that I can improve. |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | This was an amazing test. It had a lot of types that I'm not strong at (not newer ones, interestingly enough ) so I decided to do whatever I'm weak at first just as some experimentation. I got in both puzzles of all my weaknesses except the harder Number Connection, which I guess I'm still pretty bad at. By the time I reached the end, I only had stuff I'm good at but decided to do just the easy ones quickly with time running out. Was about a minute away from submitting that 100 pointer, but whatever. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Also, I totally predicted that shape while discussing Minimal Blocks with Swaroop before the contest. The 2x2 region with no letters seemed like just the kind of cool little thing that these quality authors might force in
Thanks to the authors for putting this together, and also all the beautiful practice puzzles. I'm sure these extra puzzles will be fun too. |
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detuned
Posts: 152
Country : United Kingdom | detuned posted @ 2013-12-03 8:20 PM How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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detuned
Posts: 152
Country : United Kingdom | detuned posted @ 2013-12-03 8:22 PM joshuazucker - 2013-12-03 12:20 AM
kishy, I had the same difficulty seeing that logic. I think the rule is "a region cannot touch itself only diagonally" because if it does that, then it must connect to itself somewhere else, but in doing so would have to split the other color's region into two groups. It's similar to the Cave/Corral rule of "the cave cannot touch itself diagonally" being very closely related to "all the non-cave walls have to connect to the outside".
So when you have
BB
..
BW
you cannot turn that into
BB
WB
BW
or else the W's connecting will isolate the diagonal B's, and vice-versa if you connect the diagonal B's.
So it must be
BB
.W
BW
If I'm wrong about the logic here, I hope someone will correct me quickly! I am just starting to learn how to do these puzzles (thanks to kiwijam for the tip here!)
I often hear that being referred to as the Battenberg rule. I worked out why that was a bad pattern once, but basically use it as a memorised bad pattern to avoid now... |
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deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2013-12-05 1:20 AM Thank you everyone for participating.
253 players participated, out of which 195 got non-zero scores. Congratulations to Ulrich Voigt (24/24, 106:27), Ken Endo (24/24, 113:17), Ko Okamoto (23/24, 118:41) for topping this test. Yuta Nagata (23/24, 117:14) and Palmer Mebane (22/24) were really close.
Here are some statistics:
- Most solved puzzle: Easy as ABC (Top) was solved by 157 players.
- Least solved puzzle: Four Winds with Blanks (Bottom) was solved by 19 players.
- Puzzle with highest rating: Four Winds with Blanks (Bottom) got 9.31 points.
- Puzzle with lowest rating: Skyscrapers (Top) got 6.88 points.
One additional note: We had 29 players from Japan this time (including some new players), and all of them got non-zero scores without giving up the test. I'm really happy to see that. I hope this test is the nice chance for new players to get interested in wide variety of logical puzzles and competitive solving.
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