Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier
Administrator
Subject: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-07 9:41 PM (#19255) (#19255) Top


2000100010020
Location: India




Link for rules and other details about Sudoku Mahabharat : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16.asp
Instructions for Neighbours - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201509/

Administrator
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-08 9:49 AM (#19261 - in reply to #19255) (#19261) Top


2000100010020
Location: India

Neighbours

Instruction Booklet for Neighbours published.

Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201509/


prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-08 11:11 AM (#19263 - in reply to #19255) (#19263) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
Practice links -
Touchy and Renban are repeated from last year's Sudoku Mahabharat Neighbours round - http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=SM201502
Thermo is basically 'Inequality in series', so that is technically a repeat too. Either way, Thermo Sudoku is very common and a search of any blogs on the LMI links page should get some results - http://logicmastersindia.com/home/?g=links . Renban and Quadruple should also be somewhat common on blogs and sites.
Quadruple is a repeat from last year, but from the Standard variations round. http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=SM201409

Repeated Neighbours has appeared in Sudoku Grand Prix Indian round in 2013 and 2014. There is a 'pairs' logic to this variant which really helps solve it. It a mix of Neighbours & Converse so could have been on either round. One hint is to compare it to Untouch Sudoku.
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201302S
http://gp.worldpuzzle.org/content/wpf-sudoku-gp7

If you are feeling really adventurous, then try this one from my blog, but be warned, it took even some of the world's best solvers upwards of 20 minutes. The competition one will definitely be much easier :)
https://prasannaseshadri.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/puzzle-no-415-repe...
mihiryadav
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-08 12:39 PM (#19270 - in reply to #19255) (#19270) Top




Posts: 27
20
Location: INDIA
In repeated neighbours....can there be two pairs of repeating neighbours?...and can a neighbour repeat thrice?
Administrator
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-08 1:11 PM (#19271 - in reply to #19270) (#19271) Top


2000100010020
Location: India
mihiryadav - 2015-09-08 12:39 PM

In repeated neighbours....can there be two pairs of repeating neighbours?...and can a neighbour repeat thrice?

Neighbours in this puzzle refer to Orthogonal (i.e. sharing an edge) neighbours. So it can't repeat thrice. But there can be two pairs of repeating neighbours.
Administrator
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 1:07 PM (#19295 - in reply to #19255) (#19295) Top


2000100010020
Location: India

Points Table

Instruction Booklet is re-uploaded with points table. Here it is for your quick reference.



mihiryadav
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 1:37 PM (#19296 - in reply to #19255) (#19296) Top




Posts: 27
20
Location: INDIA
How to proceed ahead?
prasanna16391
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 2:32 PM (#19297 - in reply to #19296) (#19297) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
mihiryadav - 2015-09-11 1:37 PM

How to proceed ahead?


Not sure what this is in reference to. Can you specify? You mean Repeated Neighbours?
Administrator
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 4:04 PM (#19298 - in reply to #19255) (#19298) Top


2000100010020
Location: India

Quadruple Sudoku

Minor change in rules of "Quadruple Sudoku"

Apply standard Sudoku rules.
Additionally, the digits given at the corner must appear in the 4 adjoining cells. If any digit is given twice, it must appear twice.


See example below:




Instructions booklet is updated with this rule.

lrani
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 5:37 PM (#19299 - in reply to #19255) (#19299) Top




Posts: 24
20
Location: India
There is no doubt on the updated rule. I was thinking that in a Quadruple sudoku always 4 numbers will be given as clues to be filled in the 4 adjoining cells. In the example which is updated above less than 4 nos are given as clues to be filled in the adjoining cells. Pls confirm.
devarajand
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 5:37 PM (#19300 - in reply to #19255) (#19300) Top




Posts: 113
100
Location: India
Pl detail the rules of Repeated Neighbours and updated rule of Quadruple.
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 5:39 PM (#19301 - in reply to #19299) (#19301) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
lrani - 2015-09-11 5:37 PM

There is no doubt on the updated rule. I was thinking that in a Quadruple sudoku always 4 numbers will be given as clues to be filled in the 4 adjoining cells. In the example which is updated above less than 4 nos are given as clues to be filled in the adjoining cells. Pls confirm.

Yes, the new example having less than 4 numbers is intentionally given. The Sudoku(s) in the contest will have clues like this.
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 5:45 PM (#19302 - in reply to #19300) (#19302) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
devarajand - 2015-09-11 5:37 PM

Pl detail the rules of Repeated Neighbours and updated rule of Quadruple.


Repeated Neighbours :
Note that here Neighbours means "orthogonal neighbours" i.e. cells sharing an edge. So, one cell can have maximum 4 orthogonal neighbours.
Among those 4 neighbouring cells, if any two cells have same digit, then the original cell will be shaded.
Converse rule applies i.e. a) all possible shaded cells are marked. b) a white cell must have different digits in the 4 neighbouring cells.


Quadruple :
Note sure how to elaborate this. The rule is pretty clear and the new example shows all possible cases.
If any particular sentence is not clear in the rule, please highlight that and we will re-word, if possible.

debmohanty
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 5:48 PM (#19303 - in reply to #19255) (#19303) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
If any rule is not clear, please refer to the solution... Also please solve the examples in the IB to be absolutely clear about the rules before the contest starts.

The last thing you want to do after you start the timer is to understand the rules :)
Himanshi
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 6:54 PM (#19305 - in reply to #19302) (#19305) Top




Posts: 3

Location: India
I am really confused with respect to Repeated Neighbours. Can you please elaborate with the help of a diagram as to what does sharing an edge means. ( The way Anti Knight Sudoku is explained)
In 6x6 sudoku, the same digits are repeated diagonally in the shaded cells. But in 9x9 sudoku, I find digits repeating diagonally with respect to some white cells, for eg. 9 is repeating in R2C3 & R3C4, 7 is repeating in R6C3 & R7C2 and R3C6 & R4C5 etc and not for shaded cells




Edited by Himanshi 2015-09-11 7:09 PM
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 7:13 PM (#19307 - in reply to #19305) (#19307) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
Himanshi - 2015-09-11 6:54 PM

I am really confused with respect to Repeated Neighbours. Can you please elaborate with the help of a diagram as to what does sharing an edge means. ( The way Anti Knight Sudoku is explained)
In 6x6 sudoku, the same digits are repeated diagonally in the shaded cells. But in 9x9 sudoku, I find digits repeating diagonally with respect to some white cells, for eg. 9 is repeating in R2C3 & R3C4, 7 is repeating in R6C3 & R7C2 and R3C6 & R4C5 etc and not for shaded cells




The rule doesn't mean that digits in shaded cells will repeat. The digit in a shaded cell is irrelevant for that cell, it means (at least) two cells around that cell will have repeating digits. So in the 6x6 that is forced to be in a shaded cell but the way to look at it in there is, for R2C3, R2C4 and R3C3 are repeating among the 4 cells around it, so R2C3 is shaded. Since R2C3 and R3C4 are also repeating, R2C4 and R3C3 are shaded because for both of those cells, a digit is repeating in the 4 cells around them.
debmohanty
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 8:19 PM (#19308 - in reply to #19255) (#19308) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
Explaining with a diagram.

In the image at the right, the cell X has 4 orthogonal neighbours. They are marked as a,b,c,d. As you can see X shares an edge (side) with each of the four.

Now the rule of the Sudoku : If the cell X is white, a, b, c & d must be all different. If the cell X is shaded, then there must be some repetition among a,b,c,d (i.e. At least one of a = b or a =d or c = b or c =d must be true)
Himanshi
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 9:31 PM (#19309 - in reply to #19255) (#19309) Top




Posts: 3

Location: India
Thanks a lot Prasanna and Deb Mohanty. Your explanations have helped a lot, specially with the diagram.
Just to confirm " a can never be = c" and " b can never be = d"
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 9:37 PM (#19310 - in reply to #19309) (#19310) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
Himanshi - 2015-09-11 9:31 PM
Just to confirm " a can never be = c" and " b can never be = d"
You are right. We will be violating Classic Sudoku rules if a =c or if b = d.
Himanshi
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 10:17 PM (#19311 - in reply to #19310) (#19311) Top




Posts: 3

Location: India
Oops just didnt thought over it, was so confused on the entire things. Anyways thanks a lot :)
piyush99
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 11:13 PM (#19312 - in reply to #19255) (#19312) Top




Posts: 2

Location: India
I am not able to get a start for the repeated neighbours sudoku (6*6). Can anyone plz help?
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 11:23 PM (#19313 - in reply to #19312) (#19313) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
piyush99 - 2015-09-11 11:13 PM

I am not able to get a start for the repeated neighbours sudoku (6*6). Can anyone plz help?


See the image above and ask yourself this - if X is shaded, to accommodate any combination of repeating letters, wouldn't you need another shaded cell nearby, considering that white cells cannot have repeating neighbours?
piyush99
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-11 11:34 PM (#19314 - in reply to #19255) (#19314) Top




Posts: 2

Location: India
Yeah done. Thanks
PuzzleScott
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 4:18 AM (#19315 - in reply to #19255) (#19315) Top




Posts: 42
2020
Location: USA
In touchy sudoku, is it just clue digits that require a consecutive neighbor? Or is it every digit in the full solution?
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 5:49 AM (#19316 - in reply to #19315) (#19316) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
PuzzleScott - 2015-09-12 4:18 AM

In touchy sudoku, is it just clue digits that require a consecutive neighbor? Or is it every digit in the full solution?
Every digit in the full solution.
mihiryadav
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 12:43 PM (#19317 - in reply to #19297) (#19317) Top




Posts: 27
20
Location: INDIA
I was posting a pic for reference...but the file size was big
An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 1:48 PM (#19318 - in reply to #19255) (#19318) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? representation could have been better
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


kishy72
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 2:05 PM (#19319 - in reply to #19255) (#19319) Top


SM 2020 (Math) Author

Posts: 395
10010010020202020
Location: india
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


That was an absolute feast of sudokus! Thanks Aditi and Prasanna for authoring a wonderful test.The sudokus were hard and testing.If I may add,this test should be a bit harsh on the beginners but it really must provide an excellent challenge to the veteran solvers.I anticipate the number of solvers who complete the test to be much lesser than the previous episode.Overall, this can be treated as an opportunity for the beginners to get some new ideas and understand more about tough sudokus in general.
Repeated Neighbours was the hardest of the lot followed by Touchy and they certainly justified their points worth.I find it difficult to choose my favourites as I enjoyed solving almost all.However,the standouts for me were Renban(7),Quadruple(11) and Thermo(9) in that order .Good to see young Aditi entering into the fray of Indian authors.This bodes well for the future.

---Kishore---
TiiT
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 2:08 PM (#19320 - in reply to #19255) (#19320) Top




Posts: 132
10020
Location: Estonia
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 2:12 PM (#19321 - in reply to #19255) (#19321) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


tamz29
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 2:21 PM (#19322 - in reply to #19255) (#19322) Top




Posts: 191
10020202020
Location: Thailand
Lovely set of sudokus!
I really liked the new gimmick on Quadruple Sudoku.
Am I the only one who found the second Repeated Neighbours very tough?
I thought that puzzle was rather unfairly more difficult than the second-hardest one in the lot.
There's people with 17/18 but have very good times.
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 2:27 PM (#19323 - in reply to #19322) (#19323) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
tamz29 - 2015-09-12 2:21 PM

Lovely set of sudokus!
I really liked the new gimmick on Quadruple Sudoku.
Am I the only one who found the second Repeated Neighbours very tough?
I thought that puzzle was rather unfairly more difficult than the second-hardest one in the lot.
There's people with 17/18 but have very good times.


It does seem to have been very tough going by the timings. I had both Deb and Rishi solve that one and had no issues (Rishi actually took longer on Touchy and still had a total testing time which was around 2 min more than his time for R1), but I guess it is a big strength for both of them. You need to get three pairs of repeating digits in each quadrant. I think it is possible to get those just by looking at the grid, but Jan Zverina says he missed the middle one and Tiit also says he missed the middle one for a while. So it might just be that. Was your experience of difficulty somewhere else?
tamz29
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 7:01 PM (#19325 - in reply to #19323) (#19325) Top




Posts: 191
10020202020
Location: Thailand
I just took long to get the insight that there has to be three pairs in each 'region'.
Even knowing that, I ended up bifurcating to get my answer.
Nonetheless, it was a beautiful puzzle, requiring leaps of insight, one I would be happy with if I had wrote it :)
ingmanc
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 7:32 PM (#19326 - in reply to #19255) (#19326) Top




Posts: 42
2020
Location: Italy
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? representation could have been better
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


peluri
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-12 10:12 PM (#19327 - in reply to #19255) (#19327) Top




Posts: 26
20
Location: Finland
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many easy puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 12:45 AM (#19328 - in reply to #19255) (#19328) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


PuzzleScott
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 7:07 AM (#19329 - in reply to #19255) (#19329) Top




Posts: 42
2020
Location: USA
Feedback tool hangs for me (flash).
Good variations for the theme.
I personally liked the easy/hard distributiion -- probably too many hard ones for beginners though.
Excellent puzzle quality! Some real delights.
Point values seems pretty fair.
devarajand
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 10:43 AM (#19330 - in reply to #19255) (#19330) Top




Posts: 113
100
Location: India
Prasanna's class stamped all over, including IB
devarajand
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 10:49 AM (#19331 - in reply to #19255) (#19331) Top




Posts: 113
100
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Richard
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 12:05 PM (#19332 - in reply to #19255) (#19332) Top


WCPN Author

Posts: 191
10020202020
Location: Netherlands
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? representation could have been better
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


In my opinion, the neighbours theme sees on direct relationships between two orthogonal connected cells. Renban and Quadruple are a little bit off this theme. But: I enjoyed the test very much. Really nice aesthetics and solving routes. Maybe a bit on the hard side for beginners, exactly the right difficulty level for me! Thanks a lot!
tnv
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 12:17 PM (#19333 - in reply to #19255) (#19333) Top





Posts: 22
20
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 12:17 PM (#19334 - in reply to #19330) (#19334) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
devarajand - 2015-09-13 10:43 AM

Prasanna's class stamped all over, including IB


Thanks, but the IB is mostly by Deb :) The Repeated Neighbours 9x9 and the Thermo 9x9 at least are from previous contests I remember. Much easier to re-use than re-write for IBs.

Kwaka
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 4:52 PM (#19335 - in reply to #19255) (#19335) Top


Fugitive Warrant Author

Posts: 25
20
Location: South Korea
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 5:22 PM (#19336 - in reply to #19255) (#19336) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


ghirsch
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 8:47 PM (#19337 - in reply to #19255) (#19337) Top




Posts: 98
20202020
Location: USA
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


MrLiang
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-13 9:42 PM (#19338 - in reply to #19255) (#19338) Top





Posts: 44
2020
Location: Thailand
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 12:07 AM (#19339 - in reply to #19255) (#19339) Top



Mean Minis (2020) Author

Posts: 771
500100100202020
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? representation could have been better
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Nice puzzles. My top three: Quadruple, Touchy and Repeated Neighbours.

As noted by Richard, technically, Renban and Quadruple do not necesarily belong to 'Neighbours' theme. Also, there is a variant by the name 'Neighbours' which could have been included to represent the theme better.

The rule change in Quadruple came in fairly late and it made the variant tougher too.
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 6:05 AM (#19342 - in reply to #19339) (#19342) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
rakesh_rai - 2015-09-14 12:07 AM
As noted by Richard, technically, Renban and Quadruple do not necesarily belong to 'Neighbours' theme.
Please elaborate.
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:00 AM (#19343 - in reply to #19342) (#19343) Top



Mean Minis (2020) Author

Posts: 771
500100100202020
Location: India
debmohanty - 2015-09-14 6:05 AM

rakesh_rai - 2015-09-14 12:07 AM
As noted by Richard, technically, Renban and Quadruple do not necesarily belong to 'Neighbours' theme.
Please elaborate.

The statement assumes Neighbours being interpreted as "direct relationships between two orthogonal connected cells"
lrani
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:17 AM (#19344 - in reply to #19255) (#19344) Top




Posts: 24
20
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


lrani
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:22 AM (#19345 - in reply to #19255) (#19345) Top




Posts: 24
20
Location: India
Can someone help explain me how to solve the Repeated neighbours 9X9 puzzle. I understood the rule and I was able to identify the orthogonally connected cells which will have same values but still couldnt solve it..
Found this one to be too tough....
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:42 AM (#19346 - in reply to #19343) (#19346) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
rakesh_rai - 2015-09-14 8:00 AM

debmohanty - 2015-09-14 6:05 AM

rakesh_rai - 2015-09-14 12:07 AM
As noted by Richard, technically, Renban and Quadruple do not necesarily belong to 'Neighbours' theme.
Please elaborate.

The statement assumes Neighbours being interpreted as "direct relationships between two orthogonal connected cells"
Even with that definition, Quadruple fits fine in this theme. If we restrict to "Orthogonal neighbours", even Thermo does not fit into this theme because the puzzles in the contest use relationships between diagonal neighbours.

In any case, in my opinion, Neighbours could either be orthogonal or diagonal.
An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:54 AM (#19347 - in reply to #19255) (#19347) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


davep
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 10:53 AM (#19348 - in reply to #19255) (#19348) Top




Posts: 43
2020
Location: USA
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Repeated neighbors give me a hard time for some reason. Enjoyed the test as always!
debmohanty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 11:12 AM (#19349 - in reply to #19334) (#19349) Top



1000500100100100202020
Location: India
prasanna16391 - 2015-09-13 12:17 PM

devarajand - 2015-09-13 10:43 AM

Prasanna's class stamped all over, including IB


Thanks, but the IB is mostly by Deb :) The Repeated Neighbours 9x9 and the Thermo 9x9 at least are from previous contests I remember. Much easier to re-use than re-write for IBs.



Most of the examples are from previous LMI contests.

Source of Sudokus in this IB :

I created following examples
6X6 Classics : originally for IB of SM first round last year
8X8 Classic : originally for IB of SM first round of SM last year
9X9 Classic 1,2,3 : originally for LMI Beginners' Sudoku Test - August 2012
Thermo 6X6 : originally for LMI Screen Test #3
Thermo 9X9 : originally for Sudoku Grand Prix Indian Round 2013
Touchy 6X6 : originally for LMI Screen Test #3
Touchy 9X9 : originally for IB of mock12
Repeated Neighbours 9X9 : I created for Sudoku Grand Prix Indian Round 2013
New Example of Quadruple 6X6 : originally for LMI Screen Test #3
Renban 9X9: originally for example of Beginners Sudoku Contest

Repeated Neighbours 6X6 : Prasanna created

Examples for Quadruple 6X6, 9X9 are taken from Times Sudoku Championship IB. I don't recollect who created them.
Renban 6X6 : I can't recollect where I took this from

The new example for Quadruple 6X6 was created by me for LMI Screen Test #3





Edited by debmohanty 2015-09-14 11:13 AM
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 12:00 PM (#19350 - in reply to #19255) (#19350) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
Regarding the variant choices, last year's contest had Renban and Quad Max, and there weren't any specified notes that these didn't fit the theme, so I am a bit surprised to see it now that they are repeated (well, I'm equating Quad Max to Quadruple in terms of relation to neighbours). Either way, I think it is mainly an issue of definition here. I wouldn't limit Neighbours to a 1-1 connection, but anything to do with neighbourhood of cells. This can mean multiple cells defined by a common factor, or cells which are next to each other interacting. Just as a real-world example, if a person stays in an apartment on the same floor as 5 other apartments, all 5 would be called neighbours and together they can be called a neighbourhood. Of course, definitions can differ from individual to individual, this is just the way that we looked at it last year when we were coming up with the categories.
Richard
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 2:44 PM (#19356 - in reply to #19350) (#19356) Top


WCPN Author

Posts: 191
10020202020
Location: Netherlands
prasanna16391 - 2015-09-14 12:00 PM

Regarding the variant choices, last year's contest had Renban and Quad Max, and there weren't any specified notes that these didn't fit the theme, so I am a bit surprised to see it now that they are repeated (well, I'm equating Quad Max to Quadruple in terms of relation to neighbours). Either way, I think it is mainly an issue of definition here. I wouldn't limit Neighbours to a 1-1 connection, but anything to do with neighbourhood of cells. This can mean multiple cells defined by a common factor, or cells which are next to each other interacting. Just as a real-world example, if a person stays in an apartment on the same floor as 5 other apartments, all 5 would be called neighbours and together they can be called a neighbourhood. Of course, definitions can differ from individual to individual, this is just the way that we looked at it last year when we were coming up with the categories.


In the Neighbours-round of 2014/2015 I had the same feeling, but less strong, so I didn’t write about it then. The reason I mentioned it this time, was to explain the orange colored result of my choice to say the variants didn’t represent the theme well.
In my opinion, the neighbours theme sees on relations between two neighbouring cells, where the number in one cell has a direct influence on (the possibilities in) the other cell. There are numerous variants that meet this criterium: (non)consecutive, kropki, odd/even-consecutive, answer eight, give me five, XV, next to nine, even sandwich, greater than are the first ones that cross my mind. Touchy and Repeated Neighbours fit well in that theme too.
It is all a matter of personal taste of course, and maybe I have a too narrow view on it. And the last thing I want is make a big issue of it. What counts most is that the variants were fantastic and that I enjoyed them very, very much. Knowing the writing skills of Prasanna, I wasn’t surprised about this, by the way. ?
An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 2:50 PM (#19357 - in reply to #19255) (#19357) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 3:34 PM (#19359 - in reply to #19356) (#19359) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
Richard - 2015-09-14 2:44 PM

(non)consecutive, kropki, odd/even-consecutive, answer eight, give me five, XV, next to nine, even sandwich, greater than are the first ones that cross my mind.


The problem is that we have a separate category of Converse and one Outside category, where most of the variants you named would fit well. Greater Than is the same as Thermo logically, with presentation differences, maybe Thermo has the added diagonal inequality. In general my Greater Thans would be same as a Thermo with just straight Thermos :)

It is definitely not a big issue, and I'd rather that some discussion comes of it and we get to know different perspectives when thinking of the categories next time. I'd say this one is just a matter of difference in definition of what Neighbours are though.

Another thing to consider is if a Renban doesn't come into this round it won't fit in any other since I wouldn't call it a standard variant (not for a beginner anyway) and it isn't Irregular, Odd Even, Converse, Math, Outside or Twisted Classic either. Our definition of Neighbourhood just allows there to be more difference between this one and a converse round and allows for more variety within the category. Maybe we just need to make it clearer when we present a future Neighbours round that it features 'Neighbourhood' and not 'Orthogonal Neighbours'.

I agree that the most important part is that the contest is enjoyable and I'm glad you enjoyed it :) I should say that 4 of the Sudokus were by Aditi. I will add more detail to that at the end of the contest.
margareta456
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 4:43 PM (#19361 - in reply to #19255) (#19361) Top




Posts: 30
20
Location: Poland
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


carburra
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:08 PM (#19364 - in reply to #19255) (#19364) Top





Posts: 10

Location: india
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


rajeshk
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 8:25 PM (#19365 - in reply to #19255) (#19365) Top


WSPC Organizer

Posts: 521
50020
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 11:29 PM (#19368 - in reply to #19255) (#19368) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


neerajmehrotra
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-14 11:58 PM (#19369 - in reply to #19255) (#19369) Top




Posts: 327
10010010020
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Thanks a lot Prasanna and Aditi for nice set of sudokus - a real entertainment. I too agree with Kishy that the puzzles (especially the repeated neighbours and touchy) were little tough for the beginners. Infact I was totally clueless about both the versions of repeated neighbours and would request a step by step solution after the end of test.

Edited by neerajmehrotra 2015-09-15 12:04 AM
An LMI player
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 12:24 AM (#19370 - in reply to #19255) (#19370) Top


 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


greenhorn
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 12:40 AM (#19371 - in reply to #19255) (#19371) Top


Wacky Slovak Classics Author

Posts: 150
1002020
Location: Slovakia
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Administrator
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 6:46 AM (#19372 - in reply to #19255) (#19372) Top


2000100010020
Location: India
With no more participants, this episode of Sudoku Mahabharat is over.

Here is the link to Cumulative Scores - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16-ranks.asp
Administrator
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 8:39 AM (#19373 - in reply to #19255) (#19373) Top


2000100010020
Location: India
Password removed and solutions appended.
rvarun
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 11:21 AM (#19374 - in reply to #19255) (#19374) Top




Posts: 268
100100202020
Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


A great round by Prasanna and Aditi. I really enjoyed the round inspite of the wrong time I took the test. The round was harder when compared with the first round but this will be a solving experience on its own for everyone. My favourite among the attempted ones was the Touchy 15, which I broke once and missed out on submitting in the last minute. Waiting for the next round.
witty
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 12:48 PM (#19377 - in reply to #19255) (#19377) Top




Posts: 16

Location: India
 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 2:21 PM (#19379 - in reply to #19255) (#19379) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
Before I start summarizing the contest I want to make a note. Some participants' results are showing a sudden and drastic spurt of improvement between Round 1 and Round 2. There is a possibility that must be considered, that some of this is via unfair means. Just remember that if you make it to the top 50 you will be invited to an offline final, and the final selection is made there for the team and for the Sudoku Mahabharat winners, so there is no point in using unfair means in the online rounds. You will also be costing someone deserving a spot in the offline finals.

If you have used unfair means in this or the earlier round, you can step up now and mention it, and have a clean slate for the remaining 6 rounds.

I will be posting some thoughts on the contest and a rough walkthrough for Repeated Neighbours by the end of the day. Thank you all for participating!
vu2hrh
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 2:25 PM (#19380 - in reply to #19255) (#19380) Top




Posts: 3

Location: india
i vu2hrh rudresh had participated and submitted on 13 september but my score is not appearing in leadership board please clarify

rudresh h
Administrator
Subject: RE: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 2:31 PM (#19381 - in reply to #19380) (#19381) Top


2000100010020
Location: India
vu2hrh - 2015-09-15 2:25 PM

i vu2hrh rudresh had participated and submitted on 13 september but my score is not appearing in leadership board please clarify

rudresh h
I can see you at rank 278.

Edited by rakesh_rai 2015-09-15 4:34 PM
vu2hrh
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 4:29 PM (#19382 - in reply to #19255) (#19382) Top




Posts: 3

Location: india
please send link to see it
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 4:35 PM (#19383 - in reply to #19382) (#19383) Top



Mean Minis (2020) Author

Posts: 771
500100100202020
Location: India
vu2hrh - 2015-09-15 4:29 PM

please send link to see it
http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201509/score.asp
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-15 8:31 PM (#19392 - in reply to #19255) (#19392) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
The Neighbours round had 348 participants including 129 Indians. 117 Indians solved at least one Sudoku correctly.

Congrats to Rohan Rao, Jayant Ameta and Kishore Kumar who are the top 3 Indians in this round. Jayant has posted a very impressive score on a contest which was tougher than Round 1 going by the standings. Please improve on the consistency, Jayant :) Rakesh and Rajesh completed all 18 Sudokus before time too, bringing the total to 5 finishers. That's 8 less than the previous round, and a little below the ideal target, probably.

In the International standings, Timothy Doyle (France), Seungjae Kwak (South Korea) and Jakub Ondrousek (Czech Republic) who are the toppers, but Nikola was very close with just 34 seconds separating him from 3rd place. Kudos to Rohan who finished 5th, just ahead of some excellent solvers like Kota, Tiit, etc.

This round is the first of many where we tried to include an inexperienced author with an experienced one. A bit of background on Aditi Seshadri - she is the Bangalore winner in the 2015 edition of our youth competition, Sudoku Champs. She was part of the U-18 team which represented India at the World Junior Sudoku Championship and won a silver medal. Aditi herself stood 9th in that competition. For this round, she contributed the first 3 6x6 Standard Sudokus and the 3rd 9x9 Standard Sudoku. Side note - She is NOT my sibling :)

This round seems to have some mixed results. I think it became divided into solvers who are good at Repeated Neighbours and solvers who aren't, to an extent. Also, the Classics were easier than the ones in Round 1, which contributed to more beginners solving a bigger number of Sudokus. I think that's a good thing but ideally, you don't want one difficult Sudoku being the decider between top ranks.

Rishi Puri test solved the set and his total time is around 39 minutes, which is around the same as his time of 37 minutes for round 1. This just illustrates that, if you know how to go about the variant, they should get done quickly. I did have an idea that many may not know how to approach the variant, and that the results may look somewhat as they do, but I decided to go with it anyway because the technical difficulty was still according to format restrictions, and also because, in my opinion, Sudoku Mahabharat should have an aspect of learning new techniques through experience.

The late change to the Quadruple rules wasn't ideal, and was mostly my goof-up because I assumed the rules covered what I had already created, until I realized they didn't. Changing the Sudokus at this point would mean re-testing, changing the points distribution, and changing the Sudoku across PDF + Online interface, and in a rush that just means susceptibility to errors. So changing the rules was the better option. While it did make the Sudoku harder, I don't think the rule concept was that hard to digest, or that it necessitated a significantly different thought process.

There was also discussion about the theme being represented. While I don't think we will be changing the variants for this round in future SMs, I think we can work on making our definition of the term clearer, or using 'Neighbourhood variants' instead of 'Neighbours'. We'll look into that. Thanks to Richard and Rakesh for bringing it up.

All in all, I hope everyone enjoyed the Sudokus, and got a smile at the end ;) Thank you all once again for participating and we hope to see you soon in the Number Placement Round of Puzzle Ramayan by Deb, which is the closest that PR puzzles will get to Sudoku, and then in the Odd Even round of SM by Swaroop and Ashish.

In the meantime, I'll post the Repeated Neighbours walkthrough sometime later tonight.
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-16 5:21 AM (#19395 - in reply to #19255) (#19395) Top


PR 2020 (Evergreens) Author

Posts: 1415
1000100100100100
Location: India
Here is a very rough walkthrough for the crucial steps in both Repeated Neighbours. Post here if it is still unclear, try to pinpoint what is unclear.



Attachments
----------------
Attachments RepeatedNeighboursHowTo.pdf (137KB - 63 downloads)
gaurav.kjain
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-16 11:05 PM (#19408 - in reply to #19395) (#19408) Top


SM 2020 (Irregular and Outside) Author

Posts: 50
2020
Location: india
prasanna16391 - 2015-09-16 5:21 AM

Here is a very rough walkthrough for the crucial steps in both Repeated Neighbours. Post here if it is still unclear, try to pinpoint what is unclear.


Real gem creation Prasanna, Thanks for such wonderful walk through.
I could even able to solve Monster from your blog (https://prasannaseshadri.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/puzzle-no-415-repeated-neighbours-sudoku-daily-league/) after this wonderful explanation, real quick.
radh
Subject: Re: Neighbours - 12th-14th Sep - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2015-09-18 2:03 PM (#19422 - in reply to #19255) (#19422) Top




Posts: 1

Location: india
Please allow us to submit the answers even after the event is over. Some of us, are not able to solve within the prescribed time and during the event. But if we are able to solve at a later stage, it would still give us some satisfaction