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Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier
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Subject: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-10 12:26 AM (#26983) (#26983) Top


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Link for rules and other details about Sudoku Mahabharat : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2019sm.asp
Instructions for Converse and Twisted Classics - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201905/

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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-15 11:45 PM (#26986 - in reply to #26983) (#26986) Top


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Instruction Booklet


Instruction Booklet is now available here: http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201905/

Points Table shall be updated before contest starts.

mstang
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-16 12:10 AM (#26987 - in reply to #26983) (#26987) Top





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In 0-5/0-8 Difference Sudoku, are all possible dots given (in each box)? So for each box, two cells have a dot between them if and only if the difference of the digits is N.

Edited by mstang 2019-05-16 12:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-16 1:20 AM (#26988 - in reply to #26987) (#26988) Top


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mstang - 2019-05-16 12:10 AM

In 0-5/0-8 Difference Sudoku, are all possible dots given (in each box)? So for each box, two cells have a dot between them if and only if the difference of the digits is N.

Yes. The variant is a part of "Converse". So, all possible dots in each box are given.
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-16 9:53 PM (#26990 - in reply to #26988) (#26990) Top


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Updated Instruction Booklet

An updated version of the Instruction Booklet is now available.

Updates:
1) Points Table
2) "All possible circles are given in every box." added to instructions of 0-5 Difference and 0-8 Difference

DanAvi
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-16 10:02 PM (#26991 - in reply to #26983) (#26991) Top




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Is 0-5/0-8 Difference Sudoku a new variant? Shouldn't it be 1-5/1-8 since N can't be 0, or am I missing something?
mstang
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-16 10:49 PM (#26992 - in reply to #26983) (#26992) Top





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N *can* be 0, it's just that there can't be any dots in the corresponding box. (See the examples for evidence of this.)
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-16 11:32 PM (#26993 - in reply to #26991) (#26993) Top


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DanAvi - 2019-05-16 10:02 PM

Is 0-5/0-8 Difference Sudoku a new variant? Shouldn't it be 1-5/1-8 since N can't be 0, or am I missing something?
The box with N=0 is like a "classic sudoku" box, with no circles, as difference 0 is not possible.
gaurav.kjain
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 9:27 AM (#26995 - in reply to #26983) (#26995) Top


Converse and Twisted Classics Variations (SM 19) Author

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Enjoy the test folks. All the best.
DanAvi
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 12:47 PM (#26996 - in reply to #26993) (#26996) Top




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Thanks for both the replies, it confirmed my line of thinking. I wanted to be absolutely sure, being new to SM.
Also I accept that having 1-8 in the name may imply that each and every box must have atleast one circle, so 0-8 is fine
terekokya
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 1:30 PM (#26997 - in reply to #26983) (#26997) Top




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Require more information on the linked line sudoku...?
Which same order is to be followed across the line?
harmeet
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 1:52 PM (#26998 - in reply to #26997) (#26998) Top


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The numbers along the line in one grid are in the same order as along the line in the other grid, but from which endpoint of the line you've to look for this order is not predecided and is to be determined as part of solving. Please take a look at linked line example sudokus in the IB.
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 4:00 PM (#26999 - in reply to #26983) (#26999) Top


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Puzzle Booklet


Password protected Puzzle Booklet is available for download now. The test has started.

http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201905/

An LMI player
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 4:12 PM (#27000 - in reply to #26983) (#27000) Top


 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? XV Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


vopani
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 7:49 PM (#27003 - in reply to #26983) (#27003) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Linked Line Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Very nice set of sudokus to finish SM for this year. I struggled on the AntiKnight 9x9, but otherwise it was a smooth and enjoyable solve.

Favourite sudokus: Linked Line 9x9, 0-8 Difference, XV 9x9

Thanks Harmeet and Gaurav!

Looking forward to the offline finals.
swaroop2011
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-17 11:04 PM (#27004 - in reply to #26983) (#27004) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? 0~(N-1) Difference Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Wonderful finish to SM.
Sad that I couldn't finish it. But the Linked 17 pointer and the Antiknight 9x9 was a grinder for me. Took most of my time in those 2 puzzles. Other puzzles were smooth. My favourite was Difference. I really enjoyed solving that.
Thanks LMI and Authors for wonderful test.
Kwaka
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-18 8:11 AM (#27005 - in reply to #26983) (#27005) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many easy puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Anti Knight Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


anurag
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-18 12:10 PM (#27006 - in reply to #26993) (#27006) Top




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Any particular aesthetic/symbolic significance other than emphasizing that it has indeed evolved from Classic sudoku?
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-18 2:15 PM (#27007 - in reply to #26983) (#27007) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? 0~(N-1) Difference Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


A very nice contest to end SM.All sudokus were challenging and very enjoyable.Sadly, I couldn't do my best because of breaking sudokus far too often with minor errors and being engaged by guests for a couple of minutes at the start didn't help either.Ironically,I needed those minutes to finish the 2 left out 1 pointers.Arrghh frustrating.....I expect my score to fall out of Indian podium as there are many good and fast classic solvers from India.

To conclude, a tremendous contest superbly constructed.My favourites are 0-8 difference (12 points) and Anti knight (12 points)

Thanks a lot Harmeet and Gaurav for a very enjoyable round.
MrLiang
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-18 6:22 PM (#27008 - in reply to #26983) (#27008) Top





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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Linked Line Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-18 7:47 PM (#27009 - in reply to #26983) (#27009) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Linked Line Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Thanks to Harmeet and Gaurav for some fantastic sudokus.The set was really a tricky one.I broke both the Linked Line 9*9 and the Differences 9*9 after spending arund 10 - 15 mins on each,and that effectively ended my contest.
I felt the Anti Knight was a monster and deserved more points.
Really good quality set,and a horribly disappointing end to SM 2019 for me.

No clear favourites in this round,although if i had to pick one,it would be the Linked Line 9*9.
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-19 1:09 AM (#27010 - in reply to #26983) (#27010) Top


 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Linked Line Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


mstang
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-19 6:27 AM (#27011 - in reply to #26983) (#27011) Top





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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Classic Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


The variant 9x9s were really hard for me; I got only the Antiknight after some guessing. It might have been unwise to start with all the Classics. I'm disappointed in my result, unfortunately.

Edited by mstang 2019-05-19 6:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-19 5:57 PM (#27012 - in reply to #26983) (#27012) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? 0~(N-1) Difference Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


In my opinion AK wasn,t worth so little points. It was a very tough puzzle. But there is a chance that I missed some trick there. Anyway the test was very nice!
udoroh
Subject: Re: Converse and Twisted Classics - 17th to 21st May - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier @ 2019-05-19 10:21 PM (#27013 - in reply to #26983) (#27013) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Classic Sudoku
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


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