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swaroop2011
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-20 3:24 PM (#22698 - in reply to #22657) (#22698) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Battleships Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice set of puzzles. But felt too many hard puzzles considering the spirit of PR.
Need to solve yet remaining ones. Mostly the high pointers left.
I liked the Instructionless Ideas.
forcolin
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-20 3:44 PM (#22699 - in reply to #22657) (#22699) Top





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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Tetromino/Pentomino Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


rajeshk
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-20 6:31 PM (#22700 - in reply to #22657) (#22700) Top


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I liked the theme of Minesweepers and Akari where Pentominos are used :)

Edited by rajeshk 2017-03-20 6:31 PM
vopani
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-20 8:45 PM (#22701 - in reply to #22657) (#22701) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Tetromino/Pentomino Observer
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Too hard for PR. Would have been a nice monthly test otherwise.
RameshLMI
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 6:42 AM (#22702 - in reply to #22657) (#22702) Top




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Puzzles were harder than previous PR round. I too felt that the answer keys for Akari and Minesweeper were lengthy. However, I enjoyed solving Minesweeper and Akari puzzles.
RameshLMI
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 1:38 PM (#22703 - in reply to #22657) (#22703) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Minesweeper
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better


Joo M.Y
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 4:34 PM (#22704 - in reply to #22657) (#22704) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Tetromino/Pentomino Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 6:05 PM (#22705 - in reply to #22657) (#22705) Top


 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Hungarian Tetromino/Pentomino
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 9:10 PM (#22706 - in reply to #22705) (#22706) Top



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The object placement round was hard in 2016 and it ended up on the harder side in 2017 as well. The results also look similar - The top 3 (among those who participated, from last year's list) are the same as well.

And, yes, the answer keys for akari and minesweeper do need improvement.
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 9:17 PM (#22707 - in reply to #22684) (#22707) Top



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rob - 2017-03-18 2:54 AM

...Worse, the example is uniquely solvable with the given solution with the following rules: Normal battleships. Equals sign between cells means both cells are filled or both are empty. Less than sign between cells means that if the "smaller" cell is filled, then also the "greater" cell must be filled.
That sounds more "thermo" than "inequality".

For me, the example was good enough and since all the signs were placed in the centre row/column, it was quite apparent that the inequality relation applies to the two vertical/horizontal halves.
greenhorn
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 9:50 PM (#22708 - in reply to #22707) (#22708) Top


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rakesh_rai - 2017-03-21 9:17 PM

For me, the example was good enough and since all the signs were placed in the centre row/column, it was quite apparent that the inequality relation applies to the two vertical/horizontal halves.


Agree, the example was fine. However I get confused by the Observer instructions. I am probably to lazy to read (or understand) the rules carefully, but it took me few minutes to realize that the numbers are always excluding the cell itself. I am not sure whether it is usual or not, but most of the puzzles like Cave or Kuromasu operate with "including" rule. I can not see any reason why to change the rules from time to time.

Anyway, this test was great and even though I was disappointed by my performance, I really enjoyed solving the puzzles. Just after the test, I am quite surprised by my ranking. I would never guess, that incomplete solution may lead to 11th position. However the difficulty of tests within a series should be more balanced in the future.
chaotic_iak
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 10:23 PM (#22709 - in reply to #22708) (#22709) Top



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greenhorn - 2017-03-22 12:50 AM

I get confused by the Observer instructions. I am probably to lazy to read (or understand) the rules carefully, but it took me few minutes to realize that the numbers are always excluding the cell itself. I am not sure whether it is usual or not, but most of the puzzles like Cave or Kuromasu operate with "including" rule. I can not see any reason why to change the rules from time to time.


Some puzzles (I can't remember which ones; I think Doors is one, but I know there are more) normally don't count the cell itself. Different genres develop differently.
chaotic_iak
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-21 10:25 PM (#22710 - in reply to #22707) (#22710) Top



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rakesh_rai - 2017-03-22 12:17 AM

rob - 2017-03-18 2:54 AM

...Worse, the example is uniquely solvable with the given solution with the following rules: Normal battleships. Equals sign between cells means both cells are filled or both are empty. Less than sign between cells means that if the "smaller" cell is filled, then also the "greater" cell must be filled.
That sounds more "thermo" than "inequality".

For me, the example was good enough and since all the signs were placed in the centre row/column, it was quite apparent that the inequality relation applies to the two vertical/horizontal halves.


That's the problem with instructionless puzzles; when the variant idea gets unusual enough, it might be easier to come up with other unrelated rules. I would have just used the inequality signs on the row/column numbers to make it clear.
mstang
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-22 5:05 AM (#22711 - in reply to #22657) (#22711) Top




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Why not a simple one-per-column extraction for Akari and Minesweeper (one circle in each column, then write O for bulb/mine, X for none)?
Nikola
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-22 6:09 AM (#22712 - in reply to #22711) (#22712) Top


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Congratulations to the top solvers and thank you all for your participation, feedback and comments. We know that test wasn't so easy for beginners, even if it is solvable for the best players in almost an hour.
natapi
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-22 8:05 PM (#22713 - in reply to #22657) (#22713) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Minesweeper
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I have enter the answer correctly, but the score isn't shown up
ABcDexter
Subject: Re: Object Placement & Pentomino - 17th to 20th Mar 2017 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2017-03-23 12:31 PM (#22714 - in reply to #22657) (#22714) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Minesweeper
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


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