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MII and Regions - 16th-19th March - Puzzle Ramayan and IPC Qualifier47 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 1 2
@ 2018-03-16 12:31 PM (#24527 - in reply to #24482) (#24527) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-16 12:31 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-16 8:24 PM (#24528 - in reply to #24482) (#24528) Top

yureklis



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yureklis posted @ 2018-03-16 8:24 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Thanks Prasanna, this one is a lovely test.

Sometimes I act so stupid, like I've acted here. I spent 10-12 minutes for the 2nd Rassi Silai puzzle because of the grey region. I thought that all nine regions should have own path, and of course I tried to make it happened. However, I couldn't accompish the my weird goal :D In 2012, in Croatia, there was a part and that part contains Battleship and Snake puzzles. I'm reall good at Snake puzzles, so I gave a shot, but after several minutes I couldn't solve, and I was sure that there was not any solution of that puzzle. It was obvious, it's impossible to place a snake into the grid. Then, I saw my stupidty, this was not a Snake puzzle, this one's a Battleship puzzle which were given only two one-unit ships of the fleet. I assumed those were the Snake's end points :D So, I did similar things in here, and lost so much times, because the grey region had to be empty :D

Thanks Prasanna, again!
@ 2018-03-16 8:42 PM (#24529 - in reply to #24482) (#24529) Top

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JonaS2010 posted @ 2018-03-16 8:42 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Thanks for a beautiful set of puzzles! Hard to pick a favourite among them, but Araf squared was fantastic (and I normally dislike araf - or so I thought - so that's saying something...).

My only complaint is that some answer keys were a bit too long, four rows/columns for Fillomino seems too much to me. Also, the answer key for Slash Pack was super weird. (I guess it may have actually taken me longer to enter the answer code than to solve the puzzle...) Is there any reason for the choiche of f and b? I had to check the instructions every time because I couldn't remember which was which.
@ 2018-03-16 9:31 PM (#24530 - in reply to #24482) (#24530) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-16 9:31 PM

f = forward slash, b = back slash
@ 2018-03-16 10:03 PM (#24531 - in reply to #24482) (#24531) Top

detuned



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detuned posted @ 2018-03-16 10:03 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys were horrible
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Again, the feedback form leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think too many hard puzzles is a bad thing, and I don't know if you are measuring distribution by #of puzzles or #of points - but I think in either case hard puzzles accounts for much more than this supposed 10% target.

I also find it hard to believe that anyone gave an honest second opinion about those answer keys! Some were certainly not proportional to the points available for a particular puzzle.

Other than that, quite a nice test. Thanks!
@ 2018-03-16 10:24 PM (#24532 - in reply to #24530) (#24532) Top

detuned



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detuned posted @ 2018-03-16 10:24 PM

Administrator - 2018-03-16 4:31 PM

f = forward slash, b = back slash


Might this be pushing the boundaries of "culture neutral" a little too far? Was any consideration given to using / and \ instead?
@ 2018-03-17 1:18 AM (#24534 - in reply to #24482) (#24534) Top

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kousek-nebe posted @ 2018-03-17 1:18 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 6:32 AM (#24535 - in reply to #24482) (#24535) Top

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WA1729 posted @ 2018-03-17 6:32 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Place By Product
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice test!

Favorite Puzzles:

6 Place by Product
11 Balance Loop Instructionless
20 Slash Pack
21 Araf Squared

Thank you!
@ 2018-03-17 11:00 AM (#24536 - in reply to #24482) (#24536) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-17 11:00 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Rassi Silai
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 3:30 PM (#24537 - in reply to #24482) (#24537) Top

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forcolin posted @ 2018-03-17 3:30 PM

was there any problems in the format of the slash pack? I kept receiving error messages
@ 2018-03-17 7:35 PM (#24538 - in reply to #24482) (#24538) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2018-03-17 7:35 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 9:12 PM (#24539 - in reply to #24482) (#24539) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-17 9:12 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 11:40 PM (#24540 - in reply to #24482) (#24540) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-17 11:40 PM

forcolin - 2018-03-17 3:30 PM

was there any problems in the format of the slash pack? I kept receiving error messages

You entered '-' instead of numbers. However, we will review your (and everyone else's) submissions for slash pack, as that is an error in entering a "given"
@ 2018-03-18 2:56 AM (#24542 - in reply to #24482) (#24542) Top

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bob posted @ 2018-03-18 2:56 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Rassi Silai
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys were horrible
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I normally really enjoy the PR sets but found this one VERY frustrating. Point distribution seemed off. Especially with unfamiliar puzzle types, I use point values to identify easier puzzles to start with. Here, it seemed the opposite. I thought the 2-point rassi silai was the hardest one. The 1-point place by product took a lot of trial and error for me. Could be my own experience though.
The answer keys for slash pack were extremely frustrating. I painstakingly wrote b's and f's on my diagonal walls and carefully typed them. All were wrong. Tried capital and small letters, turned my paper, quadruple checked solutions and rules. I still don't understand what I am doing wrong and wasted a lot of time. Ugh.
Aside from these issues I liked seeing new types. I really liked the rassi silai and (ragular) araf.
@ 2018-03-18 12:51 PM (#24543 - in reply to #24482) (#24543) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-18 12:51 PM

Was any consideration given to using / and \ instead?


Yes. But that causes a glitch in the scores. We can mention next time such a case arises that we will accept the answer if b and f are switched too as long as they are consistent.
@ 2018-03-18 4:20 PM (#24544 - in reply to #24482) (#24544) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2018-03-18 4:20 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Excellent set of puzzles once again.

Only 1 complaint, the answer keys of slash pack was hard. The solving itself was so easy. Wasted lots of time entering the answer key and trying to correct it.

Logic was very nice behind every puzzle.

Favourite was Araf Squared and balance loop instructionless.

Nice test.
@ 2018-03-18 7:43 PM (#24545 - in reply to #24482) (#24545) Top

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lenson posted @ 2018-03-18 7:43 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Place By Product
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-18 10:47 PM (#24547 - in reply to #24482) (#24547) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2018-03-18 10:47 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Slash Pack
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


This round turned out to be even worse than the previous PR round.Too many hard puzzles just slowed everything down .Lengthy answer keys didn't help the case either.If the answer keys for Fillomino had been reduced to two rows or 2 columns or a row and column and better for a few other puzzles like balance loop(a few rows instead of all rows) , there would have been sufficient time to solve all slash pack puzzles which I did eventually after the contest and found them to be the least troublesome and fun to solve.
@ 2018-03-18 11:16 PM (#24548 - in reply to #24482) (#24548) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-18 11:16 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Place By Product
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-18 11:21 PM (#24549 - in reply to #24540) (#24549) Top

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Panni posted @ 2018-03-18 11:21 PM

Yes, I got my two penalties for entering wrongly only '-' and slashes. :( then I tried numbers for non-slash cells. I always pay no real attention to the answer key part in the IB. :) Should change this habit..

Edited by Panni 2018-03-18 11:22 PM
@ 2018-03-19 2:57 AM (#24550 - in reply to #24482) (#24550) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-19 2:57 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Place By Product
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


1-2 point puzzles need a much shorter answer key. I spent more time on Slash Pack trying to get the answer key right than I did solving the puzzles in the first place.
@ 2018-03-19 3:50 AM (#24551 - in reply to #24482) (#24551) Top

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rob posted @ 2018-03-19 3:50 AM

I join the crowd of people having trouble with the answer keys. Having to enter the numbers was very unexpected to me. But of course I didn't study the instruction booklet carefully here. But at least the description could have stated "Use digits for given numbers, '-' for an empty cell,, ...". F/B is not great but better than /\, since backslash can be really hard to enter if you're not on an English keyboard layout. On croco-puzzle we asked only diagonal/non-diagonal back in the day: https://www.croco-puzzle.com/Raetselspass/Ue-Raetsel/ue-raetsel2.php... I think that might give enough information?

Apart from that small bump, I had a lot of fun with the puzzles, thank you!

Edited by rob 2018-03-19 3:56 AM
@ 2018-03-19 3:04 PM (#24554 - in reply to #24551) (#24554) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2018-03-19 3:04 PM

I also have the same complaint about Slash Pack answer keys, but I guess that's why there's Claim button.

I also wonder if N/Z (backslash and forward slash, see their diagonal lines) would have been better in avoiding the culture-based key.
@ 2018-03-19 7:21 PM (#24555 - in reply to #24482) (#24555) Top

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Para posted @ 2018-03-19 7:21 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I struggled a lot through the Araf Squared puzzles, which lost me a lot of time.

I messed up the answer keys to the Slash Pack puzzles. When I finally figured it out after going back to the instruction booklet, I didn't have enough time left to correct them all. I don't really understand the point of having to put in the numbers instead of just marking them as empty cells to be honest. It's the same thing within the rules of the puzzle as slashes can't be in numbered cells and the numbers are in set places. It could have been clarified to insert the numbers as well in the instructions as mostly clue cells are counted as empty cells in these types of puzzles that don't involve inserting numbers into cells.
@ 2018-03-19 8:48 PM (#24556 - in reply to #24482) (#24556) Top

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vopani posted @ 2018-03-19 8:48 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Rassi Silai
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Some really nice puzzles there. But again, I think this was too hard for a PR round.

The answer keys format was quite poor and cumbersome.
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