Sudoku Mahabharat - Outside Variations - 20th-22nd Dec
@ 2014-12-03 12:43 PM (#17272) (#17272) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-12-03 12:43 PM





Link for rules and other details about Sudoku Mahabharat : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/

@ 2014-12-10 7:34 AM (#17330 - in reply to #17272) (#17330) Top

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Joo M.Y posted @ 2014-12-10 7:34 AM

Instruction booklet? 10 days left.
@ 2014-12-10 10:33 AM (#17331 - in reply to #17330) (#17331) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-12-10 10:33 AM

Joo M.Y - 2014-12-10 7:34 AM

Instruction booklet? 10 days left.
Will be published soon. Finalizing the points.
@ 2014-12-10 2:33 PM (#17333 - in reply to #17272) (#17333) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-12-10 2:33 PM

Outside Variations

Instruction Booklet for Outside Variations published.

Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201412/

Please note : Points table is not published. It will be published in few more days

@ 2014-12-10 10:08 PM (#17334 - in reply to #17272) (#17334) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2014-12-10 10:08 PM

I liked the way front page of IB is created. Very good visuals to describe Sudoku Variations and reference to wikipedia is great.

@ 2014-12-12 10:29 AM (#17344 - in reply to #17272) (#17344) Top

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sena posted @ 2014-12-12 10:29 AM

In the answers for outside sudoku variations, descriptive answer is published in the place of skyscrapers. please give the correct answer.
@ 2014-12-12 12:05 PM (#17345 - in reply to #17344) (#17345) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-12 12:05 PM

sena - 2014-12-12 10:29 AM

In the answers for outside sudoku variations, descriptive answer is published in the place of skyscrapers. please give the correct answer.

The IB has been updated with the correct solution for skyscrapers.
@ 2014-12-14 7:19 PM (#17349 - in reply to #17272) (#17349) Top

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Bram28 posted @ 2014-12-14 7:19 PM

I am really struggling with the Distance Sudoku's. Any tips for breaking into these?
@ 2014-12-14 11:48 PM (#17350 - in reply to #17349) (#17350) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-14 11:48 PM

Bram28 - 2014-12-14 7:19 PM

I am really struggling with the Distance Sudoku's. Any tips for breaking into these?

Typically you start with the bigger distances first, as these will limit the cells for the two mentioned numbers.
@ 2014-12-15 12:01 AM (#17351 - in reply to #17349) (#17351) Top

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Bram28 posted @ 2014-12-15 12:01 AM

Bram28 - 2014-12-14 9:19 AM

I am really struggling with the Distance Sudoku's. Any tips for breaking into these?


Ok, never mind, I realized that the two digits are listed in order.
@ 2014-12-15 12:05 AM (#17352 - in reply to #17351) (#17352) Top

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Bram28 posted @ 2014-12-15 12:05 AM

Bram28 - 2014-12-14 2:01 PM

Bram28 - 2014-12-14 9:19 AM

I am really struggling with the Distance Sudoku's. Any tips for breaking into these?


Ok, never mind, I realized that the two digits are listed in order.


Oh, and of course that had to be, otherwise there would be 4 solutions! Boy, I feel stupid.
@ 2014-12-15 6:42 AM (#17353 - in reply to #17272) (#17353) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2014-12-15 6:42 AM

Some links to next to 9 and Distance sudoku practice puzzles pl.
@ 2014-12-15 9:37 AM (#17354 - in reply to #17272) (#17354) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2014-12-15 9:37 AM

I am very curious about this contest. It contains many sudoku types that are not so common and usually are presented in very difficult way.
Hope to see some easier Distances or Descriptive Pairs - they have the last chance to gain some sympathy :)
@ 2014-12-15 9:47 AM (#17355 - in reply to #17272) (#17355) Top

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ISHIKA posted @ 2014-12-15 9:47 AM

Hello i have joined new so i don't know about the sudoku Mahabharat
@ 2014-12-15 9:47 AM (#17356 - in reply to #17272) (#17356) Top

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ISHIKA posted @ 2014-12-15 9:47 AM

Hello i have joined new so i don't know about the sudoku Mahabharat
@ 2014-12-15 10:03 AM (#17357 - in reply to #17356) (#17357) Top

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ISHIKA posted @ 2014-12-15 10:03 AM

How to participate in sudoku Mahabharat?
@ 2014-12-15 10:09 AM (#17358 - in reply to #17357) (#17358) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-15 10:09 AM

ISHIKA - 2014-12-15 10:03 AM

How to participate in sudoku Mahabharat?

Download the IB (mentioned earlier in this thread). It contains details of the sudoku types. And you need to login between 20th and 22nd December. You can choose to solve online OR print the pdf (you get the password for the pdf once you start the test) and solve offline. You can also visit the following links for more details:

About Sudoku Mahabharat : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/
F. A. Q. : http://logicmastersindia.com/t/?tid=381
@ 2014-12-15 10:19 AM (#17359 - in reply to #17357) (#17359) Top

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sena posted @ 2014-12-15 10:19 AM

In the solution for descriptive pairs, particularly in the second row and fifth column, both the options are followed. That is, 2 is placed in 9th place and also 9 is placed in 2nd place for the second row options on the left. Similarly, 4 is placed in 2nd place and also 2 is placed in 4th place for the fifth column options at the bottom. Please check it.
@ 2014-12-15 10:21 AM (#17360 - in reply to #17359) (#17360) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2014-12-15 10:21 AM

sena - 2014-12-15 10:19 AM

In the solution for descriptive pairs, particularly in the second row and fifth column, both the options are followed. That is, 2 is placed in 9th place and also 9 is placed in 2nd place for the second row options on the left. Similarly, 4 is placed in 2nd place and also 2 is placed in 4th place for the fifth column options at the bottom. Please check it.
The rule says "at least one of the conditions must be true"
@ 2014-12-15 10:25 AM (#17361 - in reply to #17357) (#17361) Top

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sena posted @ 2014-12-15 10:25 AM

Thank you very much for the clarification.
@ 2014-12-15 10:30 AM (#17362 - in reply to #17353) (#17362) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2014-12-15 10:30 AM

@ 2014-12-15 10:32 AM (#17363 - in reply to #17357) (#17363) Top

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ISHIKA posted @ 2014-12-15 10:32 AM

ISHIKA - 2014-12-15 10:03 AM

How to participate in sudoku Mahabharat?
@ 2014-12-15 10:32 AM (#17364 - in reply to #17353) (#17364) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-15 10:32 AM

devarajand - 2014-12-15 6:42 AM

Some links to next to 9 and Distance sudoku practice puzzles pl.


Additional links

Distance Sudoku

http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.in/2013/09/czech-team-sudoku-champio...

Next to 9 Sudoku

http://www.funwithpuzzles.com/2014/08/next-to-9-sudoku-daily-sudoku...


Edited by rakesh_rai 2014-12-15 10:33 AM
@ 2014-12-15 10:45 AM (#17365 - in reply to #17354) (#17365) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-15 10:45 AM

greenhorn - 2014-12-15 9:37 AM

I am very curious about this contest. It contains many sudoku types that are not so common and usually are presented in very difficult way.

Yes. For Descriptive Pairs and Skyscrapers, the instructions sound more complex than they actually are. Distances and Next to 9 are, of course, lesser known variations.

Hope to see some easier Distances or Descriptive Pairs - they have the last chance to gain some sympathy :)

In general, Sudoku Mahabharat grids will be relatively easier as you would have found out already. I am hoping all variations manage to gain a lot of sympathy.

Edited by rakesh_rai 2014-12-15 10:46 AM
@ 2014-12-15 1:22 PM (#17366 - in reply to #17365) (#17366) Top

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ISHIKA posted @ 2014-12-15 1:22 PM

When will the sudoku Mahabharat start today
@ 2014-12-15 1:51 PM (#17367 - in reply to #17366) (#17367) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-15 1:51 PM

ISHIKA - 2014-12-15 1:22 PM

When will the sudoku Mahabharat start today

It starts at 5.30 am IST on Saturday, 20th December 2014.
@ 2014-12-18 3:57 AM (#17369 - in reply to #17272) (#17369) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-12-18 3:57 AM

Points distributions

An updated version of Instruction Booklet with points table is now uploaded.



@ 2014-12-18 6:34 AM (#17370 - in reply to #17272) (#17370) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2014-12-18 6:34 AM

@ 2014-12-18 12:18 PM (#17371 - in reply to #17370) (#17371) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-18 12:18 PM

There was some confusion on whether the clues for Next to 6/Next to 9 indicate the numbers in order. The clues can be in any order. They just indicate that these two numbers are adjacent to 6 or 9 respectively. Modified instructions below:

Next to 6: Place a digit from 1 to 6 in each empty cell so that each digit appears exactly once in each row, column and 2x3 box. Additionally the clues outside the grid indicate the numbers to be placed in the cells before and after the cell containing 6 (in any order) in the corresponding direction.

Next to 9: Place a digit from 1 to 9 in each empty cell so that each digit appears exactly once in each row, column and 3x3 box. Additionally the clues outside the grid indicate the numbers to be placed in the cells before and after the cell containing 9 (in any order) in the corresponding direction.
@ 2014-12-19 4:03 AM (#17372 - in reply to #17272) (#17372) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2014-12-19 4:03 AM

@ 2014-12-19 8:16 AM (#17373 - in reply to #17272) (#17373) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-19 8:16 AM

Since outside sudoku variations will normally not have too many inner cells filled, sometimes it is difficult to decide where to start. Below are some general tips on starting (I presume many of us already know these):

Outside: Try to look out for common numbers in the clues, starting with the four corner boxes. These can help place or eliminate some cells.

Skyscrapers: Try to place the 9s and 8s first. Also look out for bigger clues first.

Next to 9: If all clues are given, then you should look out for single clues which mean that the 9 is on the edge.

Distance: Remember that the numbers in the clues are in order (top to bottom, or left to right). Start with bigger distances.

Descriptive Pairs: Try to look for same set of numbers on one side. Also try to look for the same number in the clues on opposite sides of a row or column. Many times you should be able to eliminate one of the two possibilities (example: since X cannot be in the Yth cell, Y MUST be in the Xth cell).
@ 2014-12-20 7:32 AM (#17374 - in reply to #17272) (#17374) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-12-20 7:32 AM

Sudoku Mahabharat - Outside Variations has started

Link for submitting : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201412/
Link for score page : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201412/score.asp

This thread will remain restricted until the round is over so that you can post your valuable feedback.


@ 2014-12-20 8:23 AM (#17375 - in reply to #17272) (#17375) Top

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Yuhei Kusui posted @ 2014-12-20 8:23 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-20 10:12 AM (#17377 - in reply to #17272) (#17377) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2014-12-20 10:12 AM

Awesome Puzzles Rakesh,
My favourite were Descriptive Pair both and Distance Big.
I thought so that i will have tough time in Skyscraper so kept it for last and this strategy helped me. Fortunately at last moment just few min before could complete the whole test.
Thanks Rakesh and LMI :)

@ 2014-12-20 12:27 PM (#17379 - in reply to #17272) (#17379) Top

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Eykir posted @ 2014-12-20 12:27 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? I have a different complaint


Losing 20 minutes to the website going down a few times while solving online hurt so I didn't finish as many as I should have, especially with finishing Descriptive Pair 9x9 right after time expired. Beyond that, excellent test.
@ 2014-12-20 4:24 PM (#17380 - in reply to #17272) (#17380) Top

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ChessMaharaja posted @ 2014-12-20 4:24 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-20 7:04 PM (#17381 - in reply to #17272) (#17381) Top

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TiiT posted @ 2014-12-20 7:04 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-21 12:52 AM (#17383 - in reply to #17272) (#17383) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2014-12-21 12:52 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-21 12:53 AM (#17384 - in reply to #17272) (#17384) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2014-12-21 12:53 AM

Thanks Rakesh for excellent set of puzzles.....
@ 2014-12-21 1:38 AM (#17385 - in reply to #17272) (#17385) Top

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shekhar0581 posted @ 2014-12-21 1:38 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-21 2:27 AM (#17386 - in reply to #17272) (#17386) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2014-12-21 2:27 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-21 2:24 PM (#17387 - in reply to #17272) (#17387) Top

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MrLiang posted @ 2014-12-21 2:24 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-21 3:51 PM (#17388 - in reply to #17272) (#17388) Top

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 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-21 4:14 PM (#17389 - in reply to #17272) (#17389) Top

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lenzo posted @ 2014-12-21 4:14 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2014-12-21 7:05 PM (#17390 - in reply to #17272) (#17390) Top

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purvishah posted @ 2014-12-21 7:05 PM

Amazing puzzles.. Enjoyed solving them..
haven't understood the skyscrapper sudoku.. so couldn't attempt
I would really love to have a book of the different variants.. need more practice..
Just read about the beginner's contest..should try that i guess..

Anyway Thank you for this interesting round.
@ 2014-12-21 10:56 PM (#17391 - in reply to #17390) (#17391) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2014-12-21 10:56 PM

purvishah - 2014-12-21 7:05 PM

Amazing puzzles.. Enjoyed solving them..
haven't understood the skyscrapper sudoku.. so couldn't attempt
I would really love to have a book of the different variants.. need more practice..
Just read about the beginner's contest..should try that i guess..

Anyway Thank you for this interesting round.


You can look at the Downloadable archives for more Sudokus from previous contests. There's many of them -
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/downloads.asp?testType=1
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/downloads.asp?testType=10

@ 2014-12-22 4:46 AM (#17392 - in reply to #17272) (#17392) Top

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kalsgaard posted @ 2014-12-22 4:46 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-22 11:21 AM (#17393 - in reply to #17391) (#17393) Top

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purvishah posted @ 2014-12-22 11:21 AM

Thanks you so much.
@ 2014-12-22 11:24 AM (#17394 - in reply to #17391) (#17394) Top

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purvishah posted @ 2014-12-22 11:24 AM

prasanna16391 - 2014-12-21 10:56 PM

purvishah - 2014-12-21 7:05 PM

Amazing puzzles.. Enjoyed solving them..
haven't understood the skyscrapper sudoku.. so couldn't attempt
I would really love to have a book of the different variants.. need more practice..
Just read about the beginner's contest..should try that i guess..

Anyway Thank you for this interesting round.


You can look at the Downloadable archives for more Sudokus from previous contests. There's many of them -
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/downloads.asp?testType=1
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/downloads.asp?testType=10

Thank you so much.
@ 2014-12-22 1:21 PM (#17395 - in reply to #17390) (#17395) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2014-12-22 1:21 PM

Dear Purvi

Congrats for your awesome performance especially when you have joined LMI just a month back. Be a regular visitor to this website and you will have fun throughout.
Please go through previous tests (all the puzzle booklets are available) which are here on the website on the following link

http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=60&st...

All the best

Regards
Neeraj Mehrotra
@ 2014-12-22 7:03 PM (#17397 - in reply to #17272) (#17397) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2014-12-22 7:03 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-22 7:13 PM (#17398 - in reply to #17272) (#17398) Top

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rvarun posted @ 2014-12-22 7:13 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-22 7:17 PM (#17399 - in reply to #17272) (#17399) Top

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rvarun posted @ 2014-12-22 7:17 PM

Superb puzzles. Great work Rakesh. Other than Outside and Skyscrapers, other three types were new to me. I really enjoyed the test though could not try the 9x9 puzzles within time. I will definitely try the 9x9 puzzles during free time.
@ 2014-12-22 7:57 PM (#17400 - in reply to #17272) (#17400) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2014-12-22 7:57 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I have always found the outside variations of sudoku to be a weakling in my sudoku repertoire.
This test served as a good practice to tackle them head on and gain some confidence.

Unfortunately, the higher valued skyscraper puzzle ended up being broken which cost me quite some points as well as time.I spotted the erroneous logic only at the very end with no time to rectify .

In spite of that, I found this to be an excellent test with some brillantly constructed puzzles.My favourites were the Next to 9(10) and the Outside Sudoku(9).I found the latter to be under-weighed for its difficulty.But then again,it might have to do with my own limitations
when it comes to solving these outside variants.

Overall an enjoyable test.Thanks a lot Rakesh! and I sincerely hope that you get the time to author tests more frequently in the future.
@ 2014-12-22 9:44 PM (#17401 - in reply to #17272) (#17401) Top

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detuned posted @ 2014-12-22 9:44 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? representation could have been better
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Descriptive pairs and Distance aren't my favourite variants in the world, as they can be made cumbersome by not seeing the wood for the trees, and I certainly went into bookkeeping mode for the 9x9 outside. A bit like hitori I suppose, you either get the flow or you don't.

Nevertheless this was quite a fun test from an expert point of view, even if I didn;t quite get the flow of all the puzzles. Putting myself in a beginner's shoes, for this reason it was probably a little too challenging for my tastes.
@ 2014-12-22 10:04 PM (#17402 - in reply to #17272) (#17402) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2014-12-22 10:04 PM

When I use paint I was able to cross out the marked clues, but with online solving that was not possible, so got messed up. Good puzzles.
@ 2014-12-22 10:48 PM (#17403 - in reply to #17272) (#17403) Top

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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2014-12-22 10:48 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


fantastic puzzles..thanks!!
@ 2014-12-23 4:00 AM (#17404 - in reply to #17272) (#17404) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2014-12-23 4:00 AM

Extension

Based on a request from a player, we are extending this till Wednesday morning. See submission page for exact timing.

@ 2014-12-23 12:56 PM (#17405 - in reply to #17272) (#17405) Top

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peluri posted @ 2014-12-23 12:56 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-23 7:29 PM (#17406 - in reply to #17272) (#17406) Top

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Bram28 posted @ 2014-12-23 7:29 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-24 10:16 AM (#17407 - in reply to #17272) (#17407) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 10:16 AM

devarajand - 2014-12-22 10:04 PM

When I use paint I was able to cross out the marked clues, but with online solving that was not possible, so got messed up.
I can understand your problem. I have similarly messed up many times in other online contests and given up. Probably this is food for thought for us at LMI. We will see if there is a way to enable crossing out clues so that online solving experience is better for such variations.

Good puzzles.
Thanks Devarajan !!

@ 2014-12-24 10:20 AM (#17408 - in reply to #17272) (#17408) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 10:20 AM

Eykir - 2014-12-20 12:27 PM

Losing 20 minutes to the website going down a few times while solving online hurt so I didn't finish as many as I should have, especially with finishing Descriptive Pair 9x9 right after time expired.
Yes. There were some unexpected outages around the start of the contest. Really unfortunate.

Beyond that, excellent test.
Thanks Brian !!
@ 2014-12-24 10:26 AM (#17409 - in reply to #17272) (#17409) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 10:26 AM

gaurav.kjain - 2014-12-22 10:48 PM

fantastic puzzles..thanks!!
Glad you enjoyed the test, Gaurav !!

rvarun - 2014-12-22 7:17 PM

Superb puzzles. Great work Rakesh. Other than Outside and Skyscrapers, other three types were new to me. I really enjoyed the test though could not try the 9x9 puzzles within time. I will definitely try the 9x9 puzzles during free time.
Thanks Varun !! I see that you were able to complete the mini versions of the "new" variations but not the 9x9. Hopefully you will be able to finish the rest also.

neerajmehrotra - 2014-12-21 12:53 AM

Thanks Rakesh for excellent set of puzzles.....
Thanks for your comments, Neeraj !!
@ 2014-12-24 10:43 AM (#17410 - in reply to #17409) (#17410) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 10:43 AM

purvishah - 2014-12-21 7:05 PM

Amazing puzzles.. Enjoyed solving them..
haven't understood the skyscrapper sudoku.. so couldn't attempt
I would really love to have a book of the different variants.. need more practice..
Just read about the beginner's contest..should try that i guess..

Anyway Thank you for this interesting round.
Glad that you enjoyed solving the puzzles, Purvi !! You almost got Descriptive Pairs 9x9 also correct. In addition to the suggestions from Prasanna and Neeraj earlier, I would also suggest you visit http://www.argio-logic.net/sudoku/sudoku.php , where a lot of variations are available for online solving everyday (including skyscraper sudoku).
@ 2014-12-24 10:45 AM (#17411 - in reply to #17272) (#17411) Top

rakesh_rai




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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 10:45 AM

detuned - 2014-12-22 9:44 PM

Descriptive pairs and Distance aren't my favourite variants in the world, as they can be made cumbersome by not seeing the wood for the trees, and I certainly went into bookkeeping mode for the 9x9 outside. A bit like hitori I suppose, you either get the flow or you don't.
I agree that identifying the place to start is often critical in these variations. And there were specific clues to help start the solving process in most puzzles. I am still not sure though if I correctly understood your comments.

Nevertheless this was quite a fun test from an expert point of view...
Thanks Tom !!
@ 2014-12-24 10:53 AM (#17412 - in reply to #17272) (#17412) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 10:53 AM

swaroop2011 - 2014-12-20 10:12 AM

Awesome Puzzles Rakesh,
My favourite were Descriptive Pair both and Distance Big.
Thanks Rakesh and LMI :)
Thanks for the kind comments, Swaroop!!

kishy72 - 2014-12-22 7:57 PM

I found this to be an excellent test with some brillantly constructed puzzles.My favourites were the Next to 9(10) and the Outside Sudoku(9)...Overall an enjoyable test.
Thanks Kishore!!

Thanks a lot Rakesh! and I sincerely hope that you get the time to author tests more frequently in the future.
I also hope so.

Interesting that between the two of you, four different variants are covered as favourites. Swaroop find Skyscraper tough (as he mentioned) and Kishore broke it while solving. So I understand why Skyscraper is missing from both.
@ 2014-12-24 12:16 PM (#17413 - in reply to #17412) (#17413) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 12:16 PM

The fourth edition of Sudoku Mahabharat - Outside Variations is over now.

333 participants, 116 from India
40 countries
39 centuries

Congratulations to Jakub, Kota and Tiit for taking the top three spots !!!
Congratulations to Amit, Kishore and Rajesh who finished in the top 3 amongst the SM-eligible participants !!!
Interestingly, 13 countries are represented in the Top 15 !!

Highest rated 9x9 puzzle: Descriptive Pairs - 8.64
Highest rated 6x6 puzzle: Descriptive Pairs - 8.01

Earliest correct submission: Timothy (27 seconds)
Latest correct submission: 89.59 (ssandy, ropeko, blublu)

A look at how the top two performed (based on their submission timings)




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@ 2014-12-24 1:20 PM (#17414 - in reply to #17272) (#17414) Top

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Puzlifouk posted @ 2014-12-24 1:20 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-24 6:56 PM (#17415 - in reply to #17414) (#17415) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-24 6:56 PM

The eight classics were designed to be easy as many of the variations were new and would need more time for familiarity and solving. Outside and Skyscraper were more familiar for most of the solvers and may have been slightly undervalued. On the other hand, Distance, Descriptive Pairs and Next to 9 were relatively unfamiliar for most and may have been slightly overvalued in comparison to the difficulty. The 9x9s were found hard by many solvers - this could have been partly due to the unfamiliar variations.

Thanks to

- all 333 players for finding 90 minutes for the test.

- Yuhei, Kunal, Tiit, Shekhar, Matus, Sumet, Lorenzo, Kalsgaard, Rajesh, Jouni, Bram and N Sigler for your valuable post-test feedback.

- Rohan, Prasanna and Deb for conceptualization and suggestions.

Over to Prasanna for the next round in January 2015 (Math variations).
@ 2014-12-24 7:26 PM (#17416 - in reply to #17272) (#17416) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2014-12-24 7:26 PM

Thanks to Rakesh and LMI for this nice tournament !

I like the sudoku mahabharat: a bit "sprint-y", but still some puzzles of medium difficulty that experienced sudokers can enjoy.
Having a 6*6 and a 9*9 sudoku for each variant is a good idea (the proof is that I authored a tournament in 2011 with the same idea :p ).

When I saw the IB, I was happy to see the non-common variants "descriptive pairs" and "distance": "Descriptive pairs" was invented by an Indian player if I remember correctly, and I think it's an interesting idea, nice to see this one again. "Distance" was not a "fashion" variant since 2 years, and is a bit hard to tackle at the beginning, but it is also a nice variant in my opinion. The ones of the tournament were not so hard in my opinion, well suited for this test.

I'm very happy to enter the top5 of a LMI tournament again, it was long that it had not happened. I hope I'll start the next year in the same way I end this one.

Merry Christmas to LMI team and all LMI players !

Fred
@ 2014-12-25 12:05 AM (#17418 - in reply to #17416) (#17418) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-25 12:05 AM

Fred76 - 2014-12-24 7:26 PM

I'm very happy to enter the top5 of a LMI tournament again, it was long that it had not happened.
Congratulations Fred !! Time for Top-3 now...
@ 2014-12-25 1:22 AM (#17419 - in reply to #17272) (#17419) Top

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forsmarts posted @ 2014-12-25 1:22 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-26 6:29 PM (#17422 - in reply to #17272) (#17422) Top

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davep posted @ 2014-12-26 6:29 PM

Very nice work, Rakesh! I did not fare so well on this one, mainly because skyscrapers and distance variants both seem to give me difficulties. Nevertheless, the puzzles themselves were excellent.

Happy holidays to you and the LMI crew!

Dave
@ 2014-12-26 9:01 PM (#17423 - in reply to #17422) (#17423) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-26 9:01 PM

Thanks Dave and Vladimir, for sharing your feedback on the test.
@ 2014-12-26 9:57 PM (#17424 - in reply to #17272) (#17424) Top

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margareta456 posted @ 2014-12-26 9:57 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2014-12-28 3:51 AM (#17427 - in reply to #17272) (#17427) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2014-12-28 3:51 AM

The Author's involvement in designing the IB esp the images, suggestion to enquirers, great puzzles , replies to post test comments need a special mention here. I rate the Author at the Top of the rest so for at the LMI in conducting a test. Good commitment , Great work, Keep it up Rakesh.
@ 2014-12-28 4:56 PM (#17428 - in reply to #17272) (#17428) Top

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 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Too many pages / too large grids


@ 2014-12-29 11:11 PM (#17434 - in reply to #17427) (#17434) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2014-12-29 11:11 PM

devarajand - 2014-12-28 3:51 AM

The Author's involvement in designing the IB esp the images, suggestion to enquirers, great puzzles , replies to post test comments need a special mention here. I rate the Author at the Top of the rest so for at the LMI in conducting a test. Good commitment , Great work, Keep it up Rakesh.
Good observation, Devarajan. And thanks for your encouraging post !!
@ 2015-01-07 7:42 PM (#17466 - in reply to #17272) (#17466) Top

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Renga posted @ 2015-01-07 7:42 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2015-01-09 3:34 PM (#17473 - in reply to #17466) (#17473) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-01-09 3:34 PM