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8th Open Moscow Puzzle Cup 2012
Author : Riad Khanmagomedov
Dates : 9 th - 10 th December
IB and Submission Link : here
Timing : To align with the offline Moscow Cup, this test starts at 14:30 MSK / 10:30 GMT / 16:00 IST Sunday and is open for 48 hours.
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kishy72
Posts: 419
Country : India | kishy72 posted @ 2012-12-05 2:22 PM A personal request to the respected author of this test.Can the duration of this test be increased by another 30 or 40 mins?I know this is not going to affect the top solvers in any way as they would be stagnating bonus points by completing in 60 or 70 mins or in even lesser times.So other than increasing their bonus points further they wont be affected in any way.On the other hand people who are on the lower half of the median score and people whose rank scores are miserable like me will get an opportunity to solve more puzzles within the test time.This was what i felt even during word show.I could have solved atleast 2 more if the time had been a bit more.After all we dont want a situation where in the feedback we see more people choosing way too many puzzles(but too little time)again. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | This test includes many easy puzzles. I think it will be for you more successful than "Di ...". |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-12-06 1:10 AM Do we need to be able to print in colour to do this test? I see a lot of colours in the puzzles and especially for the Trid on the tetrahedron, I see it maybe causing trouble.
Edited by Para 2012-12-06 1:11 AM
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FoxFireX
Posts: 35
Country : United States | So how do the puzzles here compare to the ones in the offline contest? I'm guessing some of them are probably the same, but the offline instruction booklet also includes several puzzle types not in the LMI instruction booklet, and has a longer time allowed to complete everything. I'm also guessing that for this version of the contest, the "rounds" don't really matter. |
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tamz29
Posts: 225
Country : Thailand | tamz29 posted @ 2012-12-06 9:04 AM Is this rated? |
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Country : India | FoxFireX - 2012-12-06 8:37 AM
So how do the puzzles here compare to the ones in the offline contest? I'm guessing some of them are probably the same, but the offline instruction booklet also includes several puzzle types not in the LMI instruction booklet, and has a longer time allowed to complete everything. I'm also guessing that for this version of the contest, the "rounds" don't really matter. For the online LMI contest, there are no rounds structure. There will be just the 13 types (17 puzzles ) in one go. So the rounds structure mentioned in IB does not mean much to the online contest.
For the offline contest, there are some additional puzzle types, and certainly more puzzles. May be we can ask Riad to post all puzzles once the contest is over.
tamz29 - 2012-12-06 9:04 AM
Is this rated? No. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | Para - 2012-12-06 1:10 AM
Do we need to be able to print in colour to do this test? I see a lot of colours in the puzzles and especially for the Trid on the tetrahedron, I see it maybe causing trouble.
This is not necessary.
For the online version the Trid on the tetrahedron I especially made smaller (stings arrows ). On A4 paper, diameter of each circle is 6 mm. At Moscow Puzzle Cup this puzzle will be on A3 paper. |
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Country : India | Announcements• Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 8 pages. There is no cover page / points table.
• Note that there are some puzzles with single letter or digit as answer key. There will NOT be any manual override in those puzzles.
• This thread will be made 'restricted' after the test starts. So players can freely post comments after participating.
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alberto
Posts: 21
Country : ITALY | alberto posted @ 2012-12-09 8:02 PM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | A bit skewed | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Answer keys could have been better | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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debmohanty
Country : India | kishy72 - 2012-12-05 2:22 PM
After all we dont want a situation where in the feedback we see more people choosing way too many puzzles(but too little time)again. After almost a day, it looks like we will get same kind of feedback.  |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | As my feedback share shows, I don't think the puzzles themselves were too hard this time, except the big pointers of course. There's enough there of all difficulties to get through. Its just the quantity that was high this time. |
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RALehrer
Posts: 31
Country : United States | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Answer keys could have been better | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Too few pages / too small grids | |
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sanket.saxena
Posts: 48
Country : India | Is dis puzzle can be solve online ???
Edited by sanket.saxena 2012-12-10 3:01 PM
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debmohanty
Country : India | sanket.saxena - 2012-12-10 3:01 PM
Is dis puzzle can be solve online ??? No. Typically only Sudoku tests can be solved online. |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Answer keys could have been better | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-12-11 4:50 AM I had fun. Nice puzzles. A bit surprised I somehow topped the standings so far. With 10 more minutes I might have pushed out the second pentomino, but I couldn't directly find an opening so opted for the trids instead as I figured i'd at least get some partial credit for doing those. Managed to work my way to the answer key circles for all. Think it might have been better to have complete rows for those.
[Edit] After just doing it, I think that second pentomino puzzle is absolutely brilliant.
Edited by Para 2012-12-11 5:07 AM
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rakesh_rai
Posts: 774
Country : India | Can this test be extended till the normal end time (ie 23:59 GMT)? |
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zorko
Posts: 11
Country : Bulgaria | zorko posted @ 2012-12-11 11:05 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Country : India | Extensionrakesh_rai - 2012-12-11 8:39 AM
Can this test be extended till the normal end time (ie 23:59 GMT)? Ok. The test is now extended till 23:59 GMT Tuesday / 05:29 IST Wednesday.
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PuzzleScot
Posts: 31
Country : United Kingdom | Thanks Riad. Lovely puzzles from you as usual. I look forward to doing the remaining ones at my leisure.
It is a pity that the 'instant score/correction' facility wasn't enabled for this contest. It is an excellent feature of LMI contests that avoids nearly all claims for typos. |
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Country : India | This contest is now over. Password removed from booklet. Feedback Summary enabled. |
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Joo M.Y
Posts: 72
Country : South Korea | Joo M.Y posted @ 2012-12-12 9:42 AM | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Answer keys could have been better | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | Congratulations Ulrich, Bram and Nikola!
In puzzle ratings, “Trid on tetrahedron” (9.66) and “Pentamino 2” (9.40) are at the top. It is noteworthy that “Pentamino 2” puzzle is not submitted by anyone.
According to statistics, “Five ships 1” had least accuracy. 9 players (out of 40) made a mistake while submitting this puzzle.
Thanks to all Moscow Cup participants and LMI! |
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Country : India | Riad Khanmagomedov - 2012-12-12 2:37 PM
It is noteworthy that “Pentamino 2” puzzle is not submitted by anyone.
A quick database query shows this is the first puzzle in LMI tests not to be submitted by anyone. |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | I was on my way to submitting it, and made a counting mistake and thought the solution was wrong. Only one to submit a puzzle correctly would've been quite a nice stat. Ah well..
Anyway, I don't think this is due to the puzzle being extremely hard or something, while it was definitely one of the tough ones, I think the main reason is the high percentage of easy puzzles in there that people would attempt before it. Whatever be the case I really enjoyed working through it and the rest of the puzzles on the set. |
8th Open Moscow Puzzle Cup 2012 (Dec 9th/10th)