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xevs
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Country : Japan | xevs posted @ 2012-02-07 7:48 PM In the Battle Tapa, the rule "ships can't touch each other not even diagonally" is missing.
If ignoring that rule, there is another solution.
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CXXXXX
XBXCBX
XXXXBX
XBBXXB
XXCBXX
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figonometry
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Country : Canada | Here's a repost of my Battle Tapa example, because I don't know where the other thread went. I also am assuming that the 'ships can't touch' rule is missing from the instructions.  Note that there's one one-unit ship missing from the standard Battleships set. |
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muhorka
Posts: 13
Country : Slovakia | muhorka posted @ 2012-02-07 9:35 PM I have question about No Sqaures Tapa, clue cells are in this puzzle white or not?
Edited by muhorka 2012-02-07 9:36 PM
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | muhorka - 2012-02-07 9:35 PM
I have question about No Sqaures Tapa, clue cells are in this puzzle white or not?
Very good question, I should mention in the IB. Yes, clue cells are white. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | xevs - 2012-02-07 7:48 PM
In the Battle Tapa, the rule "ships can't touch each other not even diagonally" is missing.
If ignoring that rule, there is another solution.
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CXXXXX
XBXCBX
XXXXBX
XBBXXB
XXCBXX
BBBXXC
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(B:battleship, X:Tapa wall, C:clue)
I missed "touching" things in IB. Yes, ships cannot touch each other even diagonally. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-02-08 2:04 AM I don't think the Total False Tapa Example is unique. Or am I missing a rule?
[Edit] I figured it out. I now understand that the amount of sections also has to differ from the amount of digits given in the clue cell.
Is there a chance the clue cells in Equal tapa can be coloured grey? It has been the case in other variations. It's just that in another variation they do count as white cells.
Edited by Para 2012-02-08 2:13 AM
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Valezius
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Country : Hungary | Will there be penalty during the grace period. I guess yes. How much? |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | Para - 2012-02-08 2:04 AM
Is there a chance the clue cells in Equal tapa can be coloured grey? It has been the case in other variations. It's just that in another variation they do count as white cells.
Yes, I'll mark clue cells with grey. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | Valezius - 2012-02-08 2:15 AM
Will there be penalty during the grace period. I guess yes. How much?
When we announce puzzle points, penalty points will appear. So all points (including penalty ) will be announced in Friday. |
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debmohanty
Country : India | figonometry - 2012-02-07 8:17 PM
Here's a repost of my Battle Tapa example, because I don't know where the other thread went. It is here |
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Nikola
Posts: 103
Country : Serbia | Nikola posted @ 2012-02-09 4:28 PM I look forward to beginning a new tapa season. In Serbia we have a new verb "tapanje". It means "doing tapa"  .
About puzzle 7. Digital Tapa I wonder why number 9 is given. Can we expect clues in bigger cells, 2x2 for example? In that case is it possible to appear two-digit clue? Thanks!
Nikola Edited by Nikola 2012-02-09 4:29 PM
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | Nikola - 2012-02-09 4:28 PM
I look forward to beginning a new tapa season. In Serbia we have a new verb "tapanje". It means "doing tapa" .
I'd love to know how that's pronounced so I can use it in conversation, coz I'll be tapanje quite a lot in the coming months  |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-02-10 12:32 AM |
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Country : India | yureklis - 2012-02-08 2:22 AM
Valezius - 2012-02-08 2:15 AM
Will there be penalty during the grace period. I guess yes. How much?
When we announce puzzle points, penalty points will appear. So all points (including penalty ) will be announced in Friday. | | Contest Length : 75 minutes
Total Points : 749
Bonus : 8 points per minute saved
Grace Period : 5 minutes
Penalty : 5 points per minute used |
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Country : India | Nikola - 2012-02-09 4:28 PM
About puzzle 7. Digital Tapa I wonder why number 9 is given. Can we expect clues in bigger cells, 2x2 for example? In that case is it possible to appear two-digit clue?
9 will not be printed in the puzzle booklet. |
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euklid
Posts: 28
Country : Austria | euklid posted @ 2012-02-10 11:40 AM I don't understand the rules of Tapa Guard. From the example I have a theory. I have repeated rule 2 in a way that it makes sense to me. All changed words are upper-case:
2 - Each digit represents a guard, observing EXACTLY that amount of blackened cells in the corresponding DIRECTION. A digit in an undivided cell MUST observe in AT LEAST ONE of the four directions. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-02-10 11:53 AM I also had a question about Tapa Guard.
In an undivided cell, if there are equal digits, should each observe that amount of cells in a different direction? I used this in my puzzle, but I wasn't 100% sure if I was correct in assuming that now.
At least it's handy to know submitting in the grace period will always increase your score as no puzzle is worth less than the total penalty.
Edited by Para 2012-02-10 11:57 AM
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | euklid - 2012-02-10 11:40 AM
I don't understand the rules of Tapa Guard. From the example I have a theory. I have repeated rule 2 in a way that it makes sense to me. All changed words are upper-case:
2 - Each digit represents a guard, observing EXACTLY that amount of blackened cells in the corresponding DIRECTION. A digit in an undivided cell MUST observe in AT LEAST ONE of the four directions.
Yes, a digit in an undivided cell should observe in at least one of the 4 direction. It can observe all four directions, or two of them, or three of them; but in any case it has at least one observation. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | Para - 2012-02-10 11:53 AM
I also had a question about Tapa Guard.
In an undivided cell, if there are equal digits, should each observe that amount of cells in a different direction? I used this in my puzzle, but I wasn't 100% sure if I was correct in assuming that now.
At least it's handy to know submitting in the grace period will always increase your score as no puzzle is worth less than the total penalty.
I didn't use that you mentioned clue type in competition puzzles. All undivided clue cell has only one digit. |
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Minfang Lin
Posts: 40
Country : China | I hope it's not too late. IB with Chinese translation can be downloaded hereEdited by Minfang Lin 2012-02-10 9:14 PM
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anurag
Posts: 136
Country : India | anurag posted @ 2012-02-10 10:35 PM close to tapaniye |
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Nikola
Posts: 103
Country : Serbia | Nikola posted @ 2012-02-10 11:59 PM anurag - 2012-02-10 10:35 PM
close to tapaniye
Exactly!  |
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Country : India | Minfang Lin - 2012-02-10 9:14 PM
I hope it's not too late. IB with Chinese translation can be downloaded here Thank you.
A perfect way to welcome TVC and CTC.
(Ah, this is a standard LITS puzzle from Prasanna) |
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Administrator
Country : India | test |
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Administrator
Country : India | Announcements- Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 9 pages (including a cover page)
- Time bonus will be computed after you click "Claim Bonus"
- Penalty will be given irrespective of correctness of submission
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motris
Posts: 199
Country : United States | motris posted @ 2012-02-11 10:57 AM Terrific puzzles to start this year's TVC. Thanks Serkan! |
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Kota
Posts: 33
Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2012-02-11 2:09 PM Thanks, Serkan. I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to TVC X, too.
By the way, I can't see the result page ever since I completed. Does this page have any problem...? |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | Kota - 2012-02-11 2:09 PM
Thanks, Serkan. I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to TVC X, too.
By the way, I can't see the result page ever since I completed. Does this page have any problem...?
Well for what its worth, I can see the results page just fine, so I guess the page isn't a problem. |
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Kota
Posts: 33
Country : Japan | Kota posted @ 2012-02-11 2:29 PM I see. But, other Japanese participants say the same thing as me. Why is this situation occurred? I don't know... |
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Administrator
Country : India | I can see from database log that no one from Japan has accessed the score page.
Do you get any particular error or any message?
Is it possible to send the screenshot to logicmasteradmin@gmail.com ? |
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Administrator
Country : India | Bit strange problem. I see that yukkuri from japan and motris, TableSaw, nehsb have seen the score page.
Please send me screenshot of what you see.
EDIT : The problem is resolved now. It was related to IE, not Japan. |
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zalak
Posts: 23
Country : India | zalak posted @ 2012-02-11 7:43 PM Hey, Am not able to see the result page as well. I tried IE and Mozilla both.. |
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zalak
Posts: 23
Country : India | zalak posted @ 2012-02-11 8:13 PM Ok, I tried again, if someone is facing the same problem. It might help to re-login and try again. Worked for me!
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-02-11 10:51 PM Thanks for the puzzles, that was fun. And I finally managed to click claim bonus and actually get some.
Edited by Para 2012-02-11 10:51 PM
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macherlakumar
Posts: 123
Country : India | Nice puzzles, Thank you.
I should have practiced before taking the test, anyway it went better than I thought, I managed to do both my Equal Tapa ;)
Regards,
Ravi |
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PuzzleScott
Posts: 42
Country : United States | Nice puzzles, thanks. When I look at results after claiming, I see an empty results page (Firefox 10.0). |
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PuzzleScott
Posts: 42
Country : United States | I could see results after the timer expired, but not when I finished the contest (by Claiming). |
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Administrator
Country : India | PuzzleScott - 2012-02-12 12:38 PM
I could see results after the timer expired, but not when I finished the contest (by Claiming). Bit of misunderstanding there, I guess. You can finish contest by Claiming only after you submit all puzzles. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-02-12 3:34 PM I'd never really considered is as I never claimed bonus succesfully. Is there a special reason bonus is computed on the full minute and penalty on the second? Both are mentioned per minute in the scoring. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | Para - 2012-02-12 3:34 PM
I'd never really considered is as I never claimed bonus succesfully. Is there a special reason bonus is computed on the full minute and penalty on the second? Both are mentioned per minute in the scoring.
Yes, both of them are better for competitors. |
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PuzzleScott
Posts: 42
Country : United States | In reading the rules/scoring, it appeared that bonus/penalty points were a strategic tradeoff in deciding when to Claim. After looking at Results and discussion, it appears that Bonus only applies if all puzzles are completed correctly. |
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affpuzz
Posts: 5
Country : United States | affpuzz posted @ 2012-02-13 6:09 AM PuzzleScott - 2012-02-12 6:25 PM
In reading the rules/scoring, it appeared that bonus/penalty points were a strategic tradeoff in deciding when to Claim. After looking at Results and discussion, it appears that Bonus only applies if all puzzles are completed correctly.
If you read the FAQ for the monthly puzzle contests (argh, HTML is not my friend today; it's thread ID 382 on this site ), it says that claim bonus is only for when all of the puzzles are solved correctly. While this technically wasn't a monthly puzzle test, it would certainly seem likely that the same rules apply.
This is especially true when you realize that clicking start and then immediately clicking claim bonus would net 600 points, which is a good percentage of all of the puzzle values (and come in ahead of the majority of the competitors ).
edit to remove bogus link to wrong thread...
Edited by affpuzz 2012-02-13 6:11 AM
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RALehrer
Posts: 31
Country : United States | Re: Trimono, maybe I'm just being dense, but it seems that with no triminoes given, it is illegal to place any walls... |
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zachpuzzle
Posts: 14
Country : United States | Oh no! It looks like that is a mistake. the L trimino was supposed to be put with the puzzle (the L trimino has been put with all tapa triminos so far) |
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Administrator
Country : India | First contest of TVC 2012 is over. The puzzles were easy, just like last year's first contest. As many as 23 players finished all 16 puzzles, although only 11 of them got all 16 correct.
motris takes the top spot with huge amount of bonus. The scores are really close after that with Para and deu next 2 spots.
It is bit unfortunate for MellowMelon who lost the the top spot (and many bonus points) because of a mistake. (Not sure if it was solving error or a typo)
Thank you everyone for participating.
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MellowMelon
Country : United States | It was a solving error. The black square on R7C2 got moved to R9C4 because I couldn't count to 5 properly. Took me ages to notice that after the test was over, even after being told there was something wrong. |
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RALehrer
Posts: 31
Country : United States | Zach - I've only seen the one in the IB. The directions had made me think that there might be both types on the real test... |
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puzzlemad
Posts: 28
Country : United Kingdom | As always, thanks to everyone involved. |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | First round of TVC 2012 has ended, thanks to all participants. The top three are as follows:
1. Thomas Snyder (USA)
2. Bram de Laat (NED)
3. Hideaki Jo (JPN)
Thomas showed similar performance as the last year's first round, with finishing way earlier. Congratulations!
Some statistics:
- 11 competitors managed to submit all puzzles correctly. Former world champion Palmer was the fastest competitor, but he made a small mistake that cost him huge points. Palmer and Thomas managed to finish all puzzles under 50 minutes.
- The puzzle solved by least competitors was Battle Tapa. It was solved by 35 competitors.
- The puzzle solved by most competitors was Tapa Restoration - Top. It was solved by 130 competitors.
- The puzzle with the highest rating was Tapa Line - Bottom (9.3) and the puzzle with the lowest rating was Digital Tapa (6,86).
- The puzzle submitted with the highest accuracy was Tapa Restoration - Top (%98.48, 130/132 competitors), lowest was Battle Tapa (%81.39, 35/43 competitors)
See you next round!
Serkan
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | yureklis - 2012-02-13 10:41 PM
- The puzzle submitted with the highest accuracy was Tapa Restoration - Top (%98.48, 130/132 competitors),
Haha, I'm one of those 2 competitors :D And it was the only one I submitted wrong!
Digital Tapa was funny. I guess the reason its not got a high rating is once you got the pattern you could basically solve it within seconds just by following that and seeing it works out for the entire grid. I enjoyed it though
Thanks for the puzzles Serkan. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-02-13 11:30 PM My first podiumfinish. But I still think this could still end up being my worst test(as long as i don't screw up any tests) if last year's tests are any indication as the time/point gaps got smaller in the top for the other tests, which would mean my relative score would become higher. |
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devarajand
Posts: 114
Country : India | Are you not posting the correct solutions at the end. If posted where is it available. |
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debmohanty
Country : India | devarajand - 2012-03-22 7:37 PM
Are you not posting the correct solutions at the end. If posted where is it available.
This has been answered earlier
debmohanty - 2011-08-03 10:47 PM
swaroop2011 - 2011-08-03 9:26 PM
just as suggestion
is it possible that after the test a pdf containing solution would be uploaded so that after the test is over for those who didnt got all the puzzles can check it out.
solution can by only solved grids or with few steps whichever is convenience..
plz reply...
It is not always possible.
After creating the puzzles (and examples ), authors spend lot of time writing the IB and PB. We can't ask them to write the solution booklet. It takes time.
It is much easier if you ask for solution of specific grids. Even if you ask 1 month after the test is over, I'm sure you'll get the solution posted in forum. |
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devarajand
Posts: 114
Country : India | May be one cannot find time immediately but they can post the solution to all the puzzles, which will help the new entrants very much. This can improve the quality of the competition. Take this as a suggestion and post the solutions to all the finished tourneys. |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | devarajand - 2012-03-23 7:41 AM
May be one cannot find time immediately but they can post the solution to all the puzzles, which will help the new entrants very much. This can improve the quality of the competition. Take this as a suggestion and post the solutions to all the finished tourneys.
If the aim is to improve the quality of competition, I think you would benefit more from what Deb suggested, i.e. post on the forum asking for tips and solution for whichever puzzle you're stuck in. The whole point is to try and solve as many on your own without the solution. When you're not sure, you can even post the solution to confirm if its correct. |
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devarajand
Posts: 114
Country : India | In the Instructions Book Tapa variations contest Feb 2012 week 1, Total false Tapa, is the following solution wrong
OXOOOO
XXXXXO
OXOOXX
OXXOOX
OOXXOX
OOOXXX where x represents black cells and o rep white/clue cells |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
Country : India | devarajand - 2012-03-24 5:55 PM
In the Instructions Book Tapa variations contest Feb 2012 week 1, Total false Tapa, is the following solution wrong
OXOOOO
XXXXXO
OXOOXX
OXXOOX
OOXXOX
OOOXXX where x represents black cells and o rep white/clue cells
Yes because around the "1" clue in the top right, there has to be more than 1 clue neither of which are "1". You have the "1" acting as just a "3" instead of at least 2 separate blocks. There may be other errors but that should clear it, as you've probably misunderstood the rules in general. There must be a different number of blocks than the number of digits given too. Edited by prasanna16391 2012-03-24 6:32 PM
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poonamc306
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Country : India | hey zalak, i am also facing the same problem but re logging does not solve it please help I am really cuprous about my result. Is there any problem in my pc or in my internet connection and what should I do to correct it?
Thanx
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