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Double spiral: I think the two circles "should be present in symmetrical cells" or points/nodes.


Edited by anurag 2019-05-03 6:19 PM

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Double Spiral Galaxies
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Quads: Many of the black dots are surrounded by less than two pairs of consecutive digits. Shouldn't the rules say "pairs of adjacent digits that are also consecutive, with repetitions included" instead?

Key for Five cells: "Enter only the unit’s digit for double digit numbers". Does that make sense?

You are correct. Double-digit won't be possible in Five cells. You can ignore that line. It won't affect your answer key.

At this point, since the test is already started, we won't be modifying the rules in any booklets. But I believe that from the example it is clear, how the symmetry behaves. Good Luck.

I would say a similar thing as replied to your previous question, at this point since the test is already started, we won't be modifying the rules in any booklets. But I believe that from the example it is clear that repetitions are allowed.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many easy puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Rassi Silai
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Quads 1 and 3 had some nice deductions. Nice puzzles. I enjoyed Rassi salai in addition to Quads.

Thank you for your valuable feedback.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Spiral Galaxies
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

I thought that was very tough for a PR round! Nonetheless, nice puzzles....

Specific comments: Rassi Silai was fun, although I rarely had to draw the actual ropes (I assume that's not unintended) and I could often reason using uniqueness of the solution (especially in #3). Consecutive quads was also fun, though I broke #5 too many times. I really liked the 9-point Araf, and the Five Cells were easy and nice. My favorite part was discovering the huge galaxies!

Edited by mstang 2019-05-04 1:03 AM

I am glad you enjoyed. Thanks for the feedback.
Yes, it is definitely on the harder side of PR. But I believe it's hard because of new variants and not the difficulty of the puzzles itself. Of course, some of the puzzles itself are hard but overall due to new variants, it became harder than expected. More detailed review about the difficulty, types, and themes will be provided after the contest ends.

Thanks, Swaroop! I look forward to reading through it, and thanks for the test.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Average
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Rassi Silai
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

A bit too hard and too much guessing for me. First double spiral galaxies is simply impossible to solve. I thought I am able to finish the set, but there I stayed.
Luckily when submitting there was only one error and I was able to fix this. During solving I thought that I have a risk at least in 10 puzzles to have a mistake - good that it didn't happen :)

The second Quad was hard, unlike the first and third, though it was logically solvable. Some puzzles were really hard, as some others here thought. I hope the ropes come back next year in the regions round. Those were cute constructions.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Fairly Nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Araf
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Average
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Outside Regional Loop
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Mostly perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Too many pages / too large grids

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many medium difficult puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Araf
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Can I have the password forMIL and Regions PR 2018 puzzle booklet?

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Five Cells
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Can you go to the test page? http://logicmastersindia.com/PR/201803/

The password should be available there now.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Outside Regional Loop
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

If I was trying really hard to compete, I wouldn't be a fan of having half the test consist of puzzles where the only past appearance was WPC 2017 which I didn't go to.

Basically I would be forced to buy the WPC 2017 puzzle book to get a fair chance to practice.

But the puzzles themselves were very enjoyable.

Thanks for the puzzles! I had fun.
When I had 30 minutes left for 3 spiral galaxies I thought of finishing the test. Alas, it didn't work out :(

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many medium difficult puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Regional Loop
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Mostly perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Quite a hard test in my opinion.Found the Arafs and regional loops to be a hard grind.I am looking forward to solving the left out ones later.
Favourites are the Consecutive quads #6,Regional loop #8,and the Rassi Silai #3
Thanks Ashish and Swaroop :).

Can PR please be extended by a day or 2?.Unable to take the test due to a bout of illness

We will extend it by 24 hours. Further extension may not be possible.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many medium difficult puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Rassi Silai
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Araf
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Nice puzzles but on the harder side of PR.I enjoyed whatever I solved and my favourites are Araf(9) and Spiral Galaxy(9).Having never solved Regional loop and five cell puzzles, I had no clue how to start those and it wasn't surprising when I was left with those and 2 DSG puzzles in which I spent quite some time on the 6 pointer unsucessfully.

Really enjoyable contest Swaroop and Ashish.Thanks a lot to admin for extension.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many medium difficult puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Spiral Galaxies
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Mostly perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Congratulations to Endo Ken, Nikola Zivanovic and Kota Morinishi for taking the top three places.

Amongst Indian participants, Congratulations to Prasanna Seshadri, Rohan Rao and Amit Sowani for taking the top 3 places.

Of the 167 participants, 30 were from India, 28 from Japan and 23 from USA. Martin Kollar (Slovakia) was the first to start the test while Abhishek Chaudhary (India) was the last person to start the test. Unfortunately, both did not submit any answers. 18 participants completed the set within the allotted time. The median score of the test was 52.

Thanks Swaroop Guggilam and Ashish Kumar for the puzzles!

Thanks to the participants who have shared feedback so far. Participants may share feedback on the results page and rate the puzzles on the contest page.

Congratulations to top3 overall and Indians.
Thank you for all your valuable feedback. I do recognize that it was hard test, but I hope you all enjoyed it. I sincerely request everyone, especially new comers, if you are facing any difficulty in any of the puzzles, please do post here, we will be happy to help you out.
Sorry, for the short post. I will post a detailed review on the selection of types, themes of the puzzles created and overall expectations by this Sunday.
Thank you LMI for giving us the opportunity to author this round. Special thanks to rakesh for continuous support and valuable inputs over the puzzles.

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
Which set of puzzles did you like the most?	Regional Loop
What was your opinion about the answer key extraction?	Perfect answer keys
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

If possible, I'd love to see the review of the round! Thanks.

Firstly, Congratulations for the top 3 again.

Some interesting statistics:
Most Submitted Puzzles - Rassi Sillai (all 3 of them)
Least Submitted Puzzle - Double Spiral Galaxies
Highest accurately submitted puzzle - Five Cells (1 pointer) (99.07%)
Least accuracy - Outside Regional Loop (6 pointer)

I would mainly comment on the Puzzles which I created - Regional Loop (all of them), Outside Regional Loop (all of them), Araf (infinity theme), Rassi Sillai (3 and 2 pointers)
To start with MII, we needed to pick 3 types. Most obvious choice was to pick 1 which I invented (Regional Loop), also I already had the variant idea in my mind. 2nd we picked Consecutive Quads which Ashish invented. 3rd we mutually agreed that Rassi Sillai (Prasanna invented) would be fun and also easier rules for everyone to attempt. This I feel was successfull, seeing the stats above.
Coming to the theme of Regional Loop, you can either have symmetry on the regions or symmetry on the circles, having both is quite difficult task. I don't know if anyone noticed but I fixed to have theme on regions in Regional Loop, which is Dominoes (all regions were of size 2), Triminoes (all regions of size 3) and tetrominoes (all regions of size 4). The theme on circles in Outside Regional Loop puzzles. Technically I wanted my set of puzzles to be easier set, but considering the new variant of regional loop and not many practice puzzles are available, the tricks to solve these puzzles are still unexplored. But I can guarantee that each of these puzzles are completely logically solvable, so my sincere request, if any one stuck in solving these puzzles, please do post here, we would be happy to help you out. Also I hope that in future, this variant gets more exposure as its simple in rules and a lot of interesting puzzles can be created. If one tries to create this type, they will unveil a lot of interesting things (I sure did). Creating Araf was a big challenge for me. It's my first Araf creation and getting it unique was a big task. But I am happy the way it turned out to be at the end. Rassi Sillai, I expected most of them to solve. Also while creating Rassi Sillai, I didn't want it to be very straight forward and to offer some resistance while solving. I hope I was able to achieve that.

Other Puzzles I can comment only from a tester point of view.
Spiral Galaxies and Double Spiral Galaxies were the toughest of the set I believe. Also because it needs some kind of intuition to solve it. This can be visible from the stats above as least number of people submitted this type. But I hope everyone enjoyed solving it after the contest. Five Cells was kind of interesting type, we saw this in the 24 Hour puzzle championship held recently in Hungary and decided to include as a part of this round.

Difficulty wise definitely this test went on harder side, but we tried to reduce the difficulty as much we can, for e.g. a lots of extra clues were added in the 1 pointer 5 cells puzzle, some clues were added in both the outside regional loop variant. I guess it's also not too bad to have few hard rounds.

Finally, I would once again like to thank all the participants for participating and providing valuable feedback. Thanks to LMI for the opportunity.
All the best for the next final PR round.

Hi

I struggled with the Araf and the Double Spiral Galaxies and was hoping to see the answers so I could see how to improve. Are they available anywhere?

Solution Booklet: http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/dl.asp?attachmentid=787

What is the password for the PB pdf file?

Thepenultimatest

Thanks for your quick reply. Looks like there was some issue in my chrome browser because of which I could get login at the page. After changing the browser, I could get the password.
Thaanks once again.

The solution to the second consecutive quads is incorrect.