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Subject: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-13 9:29 AM (#6885) (#6885) Top


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Tapa Variations Contest XI

Date: 17-19 March 2012

Length: 75+5 minutes

IB and Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/XI/
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-13 12:18 PM (#6887 - in reply to #6885) (#6887) Top




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A few questions and comments. most are just related to me making the practise puzzles to make sure the puzzles are as representative of the actual puzzles.

Puzzle unrelated comment. The discussion thread link on the TVC XI page leads to the TVC X discussion thread.

Irregular Tapa:

1) The rules don't match the puzzle. It says that each shape is counted as one cell, except around the 3 clue are only 2 seperate shapess coloured. There are 3 cells coloured as one shape is 2 cells. So either the rules are incorrect or the example. The example currently doesn't match the way the variant appeared in the TVC before.

2) Can clues appear in irregular shapes?

Fractional Tapa:

Can clues appear in smaller squares?

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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-13 12:49 PM (#6888 - in reply to #6887) (#6888) Top


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Para - 2012-03-13 12:18 PM

A few questions and comments. most are just related to me making the practise puzzles to make sure the puzzles are as representative of the actual puzzles.

Puzzle unrelated comment. The discussion thread link on the TVC XI page leads to the TVC X discussion thread.

Irregular Tapa:

1) The rules don't match the puzzle. It says that each shape is counted as one cell, except around the 3 clue are only 2 seperate shapess coloured. There are 3 cells coloured as one shape is 2 cells. So either the rules are incorrect or the example. The example currently doesn't match the way the variant appeared in the TVC before.

2) Can clues appear in irregular shapes?

Fractional Tapa:

Can clues appear in smaller squares?



1) Yes, you are right about it. I'll change example of it as considering original Irregular Tapa rule.
2) Yes, it can

-3) Yes, it can
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-13 2:16 PM (#6890 - in reply to #6887) (#6890) Top


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Para - 2012-03-13 12:18 PM

Puzzle unrelated comment. The discussion thread link on the TVC XI page leads to the TVC X discussion thread.

Fixed.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 2:27 AM (#6902 - in reply to #6885) (#6902) Top




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I like meiosis and visionary.Fractional looks somewhat insane at first look.Some maths to be done there.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 6:54 AM (#6904 - in reply to #6885) (#6904) Top




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I like the new square sizes for Fractional. Mad Max and Full scare me...
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 12:22 PM (#6906 - in reply to #6904) (#6906) Top


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* Digitail Tapa: "There cannot be a zero in a multi-number clue cell." not true as you seen in the example. This sentence should be " There may be one zero or more zeros in a multi-number clue cell.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 3:20 PM (#6908 - in reply to #6885) (#6908) Top




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In the power of tapa, the 2 1 2 clue doesn't seem to be correct.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 4:05 PM (#6909 - in reply to #6908) (#6909) Top


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mucha - 2012-03-14 3:20 PM

In the power of tapa, the 2 1 2 clue doesn't seem to be correct.


2^1^2 clue may be 2 or 212. I think there is not a problem in the example.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 5:30 PM (#6910 - in reply to #6887) (#6910) Top


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Para - 2012-03-13 12:18 PM
Irregular Tapa:

1) The rules don't match the puzzle. It says that each shape is counted as one cell, except around the 3 clue are only 2 seperate shapess coloured. There are 3 cells coloured as one shape is 2 cells. So either the rules are incorrect or the example. The example currently doesn't match the way the variant appeared in the TVC before.


When I first replied to this problem, I couldn't remember why I made the puzzle that way, so I said there was a problem. But when I attempted for a fix I remembered that: I made the puzzle that way because large cells counting as one cell could be confusing for neighbouring boxes' types. So I counted them as multiple cells. But we accidentally used the actual puzzle's instruction. So this puzzle type is not Irregular, maybe it can be Ir-irregular, thus making it a regular Tapa with different cells.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 7:46 PM (#6911 - in reply to #6885) (#6911) Top




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Meiosis: There is a possibility of single digit(even) clues breaking down to a single digit again(even or odd). Is that allowed? This will let two-digit clues breaking down to 2-digit clues again.the example does not show such behaviour.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 9:08 PM (#6912 - in reply to #6911) (#6912) Top


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anurag - 2012-03-14 7:46 PM

Meiosis: There is a possibility of single digit(even) clues breaking down to a single digit again(even or odd). Is that allowed? This will let two-digit clues breaking down to 2-digit clues again.the example does not show such behaviour.


As I understand correctly, you are asking this: If there is "2" in a cell, can it be only "1" after division, instead of "1-1"? The answer is no. Division here is not mathematical division, it is biological cell division, so something splits into two and both elements should be there.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 9:45 PM (#6913 - in reply to #6912) (#6913) Top


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yureklis - 2012-03-14 9:08 PM

As I understand correctly, you are asking this: If there is "2" in a cell, can it be only "1" after division, instead of "1-1"? The answer is no. Division here is not mathematical division, it is biological cell division, so something splits into two and both elements should be there.


Now I'm well and truly confused .
If a "2" splits into "1-1", shouldn't a "1" split into "0.5-0.5" i.e. "0-5-0-5"? According to the way "1" is divided only into "0-5", "2" should be divided only into "1" I suppose.
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-14 11:11 PM (#6914 - in reply to #6912) (#6914) Top




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alright, thats clear now.However,the practice puzzle i made follows my earlier understanding of splitting an even number into a single half.An even digit splitting into 2 parts might feel something like math tapa with the + operator.
looks like Tapa is slowly transforming into applied tapa.Reproduction,cell division. Physics is next i think(i have one variation on that theme).

Edited by anurag 2012-03-14 11:14 PM
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 12:08 AM (#6915 - in reply to #6914) (#6915) Top


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I'm sorry, I'm still not clear on Meiosis Tapa. As I understand things now,
-- a 1 can either be used as a 1 or substituted for 0 5 (aka just 5)
-- a 2 can either be used as a 2 or substituted for 1 1
-- a 3 can either be used as a 3 or substituted for 1 5
-- a 4 can either be used as a 4 or substituted for 2 2
etc.
Is this correct? Also, can a clue divide twice? (4 becoming 2 1 1 for example)

Also, for Balance Tapa, for a puzzle of the size in the IB, is it only saying that the total number of black squares in columns 1,2,3 is the same as the total number of black squares in columns 5,6,7?

Edited by MellowMelon 2012-03-15 12:09 AM
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 12:22 AM (#6916 - in reply to #6910) (#6916) Top




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Para - 2012-03-13 12:18 PM
Irregular Tapa:

1) The rules don't match the puzzle. It says that each shape is counted as one cell, except around the 3 clue are only 2 seperate shapess coloured. There are 3 cells coloured as one shape is 2 cells. So either the rules are incorrect or the example. The example currently doesn't match the way the variant appeared in the TVC before.


When I first replied to this problem, I couldn't remember why I made the puzzle that way, so I said there was a problem. But when I attempted for a fix I remembered that: I made the puzzle that way because large cells counting as one cell could be confusing for neighbouring boxes' types. So I counted them as multiple cells. But we accidentally used the actual puzzle's instruction. So this puzzle type is not Irregular, maybe it can be Ir-irregular, thus making it a regular Tapa with different cells.


But I just finished the Combined Tapa that way........

I figured it would just work the same for any edge clue. Although I didn't have any clues bordering the irregular tapa part.

I'll wait with the meiosis when it's completely confirmed.

Edited by Para 2012-03-15 12:28 AM
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 12:42 AM (#6917 - in reply to #6913) (#6917) Top




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yureklis - 2012-03-14 9:08 PM

As I understand correctly, you are asking this: If there is "2" in a cell, can it be only "1" after division, instead of "1-1"? The answer is no. Division here is not mathematical division, it is biological cell division, so something splits into two and both elements should be there.


Now I'm well and truly confused .
If a "2" splits into "1-1", shouldn't a "1" split into "0.5-0.5" i.e. "0-5-0-5"? According to the way "1" is divided only into "0-5", "2" should be divided only into "1" I suppose.


Dear puzzlers, Gulce speaking. Serkan is so busy nowadays and I was the one to write the comment of Serkan above, didn't notice I was logged in with his account :) There is indeed a confusion with the rules, we have to set a constraint. Current example allows 2 becoming 1. Now I talked to him, he'll fix the rules when he gets back home. Sorry for causing trouble


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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 12:55 AM (#6918 - in reply to #6885) (#6918) Top




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I've posted the first 3 practise puzzles. Tomorrow the next 3 or 4 will be posted. The last few will come out on friday.

http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.com/2012/03/tvc-xi-practise-part-1.h...
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 1:09 AM (#6919 - in reply to #6917) (#6919) Top




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There is indeed a confusion with the rules, we have to set a constraint. Current example allows 2 becoming 1. Now I talked to him, he'll fix the rules when he gets back home. Sorry for causing trouble


No worry. No real hurry for it. As long as it gets resolved.

Edited by Para 2012-03-15 2:25 AM
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 4:36 AM (#6922 - in reply to #6885) (#6922) Top




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Is relative order preserved in the Visionary Tapa clues? e.g. Is a 1234 different from a 1324?
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Subject: Re: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 5:18 AM (#6923 - in reply to #6922) (#6923) Top


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Yokipi - 2012-03-15 4:36 AM

Is relative order preserved in the Visionary Tapa clues? e.g. Is a 1234 different from a 1324?


Order of the digits is not important, 1234 and 1324 are the same.
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Subject: RE: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 5:20 AM (#6924 - in reply to #6885) (#6924) Top


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Corrections on the instructions are stated below. Meiosis Tapa will have a new example puzzle, edited version of the IB will be posted soon.

1. Combined Tapa:
Digital Tapa: Any digit has the possibility of being zero.
Ir-irregular Tapa: Each irregular shape counts as many cells as the unit squares it contains.

10. Meiosis Tapa:
Some of the given clue digits may be divided in half. This may happen in two different ways: Digit splits into two and creates two identical digits; or digit is only divided by two and results in a single number. Multi-digit clue cells may have divided and undivided digits together. If a digit divides in half and results in a decimal, each digit in the result counts as a new Tapa clue (e.g. if the original clue is 3, it becomes 1-5 after the division). Resulting digit of a division cannot be divided again.
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Subject: RE: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 5:40 AM (#6925 - in reply to #6924) (#6925) Top




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yureklis - 2012-03-15 5:20 AM

10. Meiosis Tapa:
Some of the given clue digits may be divided in half. This may happen in two different ways: Digit splits into two and creates two identical digits; or digit is only divided by two and results in a single number. Multi-digit clue cells may have divided and undivided digits together. If a digit divides in half and results in a decimal, each digit in the result counts as a new Tapa clue (e.g. if the original clue is 3, it becomes 1-5 after the division). Resulting digit of a division cannot be divided again.


So if I get it right a 22 clue can be a either of the following:
22 (no division)
21 (one divided by two)
211 (one divided in two)
11 (two divided by two)
111 (one divided by two, one divided in two)
1111 (two divided in two)

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Subject: RE: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 5:56 AM (#6926 - in reply to #6924) (#6926) Top


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yureklis - 2012-03-15 5:20 AM
Corrections on the instructions are stated below. Meiosis Tapa will have a new example puzzle, edited version of the IB will be posted soon.
Edited version of the IB is uploaded.
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Subject: RE: TVC XI — 17th-19th March @ 2012-03-15 6:34 AM (#6927 - in reply to #6925) (#6927) Top


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Para - 2012-03-15 5:40 AM

So if I get it right a 22 clue can be a either of the following:
22 (no division)
21 (one divided by two)
211 (one divided in two)
11 (two divided by two)
111 (one divided by two, one divided in two)
1111 (two divided in two)



Yes, all cases are possible.
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