Thread - ISC2011 - Online Qualification on 23rd April

@ 2011-04-17 8:15 PM (#4046) (#4046) Top

Organisers

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Organisers posted @ 2011-04-17 8:15 PM

Here is the link for Instruction Booklet that lists points table and list of Sudokus.

Link - http://logicmastersindia.com/ISC2011/onlineQ.asp

Please post any doubts in this thread only.

@ 2011-04-17 8:23 PM (#4048 - in reply to #4046) (#4048) Top

akash.doulani

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akash.doulani posted @ 2011-04-17 8:23 PM

great to see the ib out. but i couldnt quite get the meaning of "point value"

@ 2011-04-18 6:03 AM (#4054 - in reply to #4048) (#4054) Top

Organisers

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Organisers posted @ 2011-04-18 6:03 AM

akash.doulani - 2011-04-17 8:23 PM

great to see the ib out. but i couldnt quite get the meaning of "point value"

Forget about point value, this is what the whole points structure means
If you solve a variant in 5 minutes you will get much more points than if you solve a Classic in same amount of time.
In other words, a 35 points variant will take less time to solve than a 35 points Classic

The summary is : You should spend most of your time on Variants.

@ 2011-04-18 2:47 PM (#4058 - in reply to #4046) (#4058) Top

lmunira

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lmunira posted @ 2011-04-18 2:47 PM

Hi,

Any idea about the number of people who will be selected from this round for the finals? Also, I hope this online qualification round is open for everybody.

Thanks,
Munira.

Edited by lmunira 2011-04-18 2:49 PM

@ 2011-04-18 3:27 PM (#4059 - in reply to #4058) (#4059) Top

Organisers

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Organisers posted @ 2011-04-18 3:27 PM

lmunira - 2011-04-18 2:47 PM

Hi,

Any idea about the number of people who will be selected from this round for the finals? Also, I hope this online qualification round is open for everybody.

Thanks,
Munira.

We'll select 15 from the online round.
Not sure what you mean by "everybody". Do you mean international participants? It is open to them for playing, but they can't qualify for ISC.

@ 2011-04-18 3:57 PM (#4060 - in reply to #4046) (#4060) Top

utkaarsh

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utkaarsh posted @ 2011-04-18 3:57 PM

Will the position bonus be amongst all players or for ISC players , will it be different,
also those who have already qualified thru regional rounds,will their scores be counted for postion bonus

@ 2011-04-18 4:08 PM (#4061 - in reply to #4060) (#4061) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-04-18 4:08 PM

utkaarsh - 2011-04-18 3:57 PM

Will the position bonus be amongst all players or for ISC players , will it be different,
also those who have already qualified thru regional rounds,will their scores be counted for postion bonus

Utkaarsh, Would it matter if we do either way?
The aim is to select top 15 Indian players who haven't qualified from regional rounds.

@ 2011-04-18 7:15 PM (#4062 - in reply to #4046) (#4062) Top

utkaarsh

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utkaarsh posted @ 2011-04-18 7:15 PM

Deb true, looks like it will not matter either ways,
i thot no harm if it is clarified,

Edited by utkaarsh 2011-04-18 7:30 PM

@ 2011-04-18 8:34 PM (#4063 - in reply to #4062) (#4063) Top

Fred76

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Fred76 posted @ 2011-04-18 8:34 PM

Nice IB, with easy grids, except Inequality Sudoku !

I'm not able to solve it... Can somebody explain how he cracked this one?

Thanks

Fred

@ 2011-04-18 9:09 PM (#4064 - in reply to #4063) (#4064) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-04-18 9:09 PM

Fred76 - 2011-04-18 8:34 PM

Nice IB, with easy grids, except Inequality Sudoku !

I'm not able to solve it... Can somebody explain how he cracked this one?

Thanks

Fred

Copied from http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/index.php/Comparative_Sudoku which in turn was copied from WSC3 IB

@ 2011-04-18 9:18 PM (#4065 - in reply to #4064) (#4065) Top

Fred76

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Fred76 posted @ 2011-04-18 9:18 PM

debmohanty - 2011-04-18 9:09 PM

Fred76 - 2011-04-18 8:34 PM

Nice IB, with easy grids, except Inequality Sudoku !

I'm not able to solve it... Can somebody explain how he cracked this one?

Thanks

Fred

Copied from http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/index.php/Comparative_Sudoku which in turn was copied from WSC3 IB

I think I'm able to solve this one: http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/images/d/d0/Comparativesudoku-puzzl... .

Look at the IB, it's definitely not the same ! Are you sure the grid in the IB has a unique solution?

Fred

@ 2011-04-18 9:23 PM (#4066 - in reply to #4065) (#4066) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-04-18 9:23 PM

Fred76 - 2011-04-18 9:18 PM

I think I'm able to solve this one: http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/images/d/d0/Comparativesudoku-puzzl... .

Look at the IB, it's definitely not the same ! Are you sure the grid in the IB has a unique solution?

Fred

No, it is not same. My mistake.
I just copied from some old example thinking it is same as WSC08 example (because the digits' placement were same)
Will update the IB.

@ 2011-04-18 9:36 PM (#4067 - in reply to #4065) (#4067) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2011-04-18 9:36 PM

Uploaded updated IB with correct example of Inequality

@ 2011-04-19 3:05 AM (#4068 - in reply to #4067) (#4068) Top

Gareth

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Gareth posted @ 2011-04-19 3:05 AM

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Edited by Gareth 2011-04-19 3:07 AM

@ 2011-04-19 11:59 AM (#4069 - in reply to #4059) (#4069) Top

lmunira

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lmunira posted @ 2011-04-19 11:59 AM

Organisers - 2011-04-18 3:27 PM

We'll select 15 from the online round.
Not sure what you mean by "everybody". Do you mean international participants? It is open to them for playing, but they can't qualify for ISC.

By Everybody I meant people who have not participated in the earlier competitions that were conducted at various colleges and/or the online round in January.

Thanks,
Munira.

@ 2011-04-19 11:05 PM (#4075 - in reply to #4046) (#4075) Top

jaisbansal

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jaisbansal posted @ 2011-04-19 11:05 PM

Hi,

Can anyone suggest any websites where we could find more of the variants for practice, specially the 'outside sudoku' & 'product frame sudoku'?

Thanks,
Jai

@ 2011-04-19 11:16 PM (#4076 - in reply to #4075) (#4076) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2011-04-19 11:16 PM

jaisbansal - 2011-04-19 11:05 PM

Hi,

Can anyone suggest any websites where we could find more of the variants for practice, specially the 'outside sudoku' & 'product frame sudoku'?

Thanks,
Jai

go to http://www.argio-logic.net/sudoku/sudoku.php

u may have to register to play

Rishi

@ 2011-04-20 2:31 PM (#4080 - in reply to #4076) (#4080) Top

jaisbansal

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jaisbansal posted @ 2011-04-20 2:31 PM

Thanks Rishi :-)

@ 2011-04-20 10:26 PM (#4081 - in reply to #4046) (#4081) Top

Kaushik Unava

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Kaushik Unava posted @ 2011-04-20 10:26 PM

Timing
• 120 minutes
• Online round will start at 23-Apr-2011 14:00 IST
• To qualify for ISC finals, all submissions before 23-Apr-2011 16:30 IST will be considered. So if you are
aiming to qualify for ISC finals, start online round accordingly
• The round will be open for 48 hours, and results will be used by LMI ratings and UKPA ratings

This is what written in the PDF Booklet, Where in second point its mentioned that till 16.30 submission willl be considered while in 3rd point its mentioned that round will be open for 48 hours.........confusion guys........

@ 2011-04-20 11:27 PM (#4082 - in reply to #4046) (#4082) Top

sudoku

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sudoku posted @ 2011-04-20 11:27 PM

HI,
I have qualified the regional round . Do I still need to participate in this to go to the finals because I got a mail from LMI saying that I am requested to take part in this one. Please clarify

@ 2011-04-21 12:55 AM (#4083 - in reply to #4046) (#4083) Top

Ours brun

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Ours brun posted @ 2011-04-21 12:55 AM

Kaushik, the test is open for 48 hours but only submissions made before 23 april 16:30 IST will be considered regarding indian qualifications. Other results will be used for LMI and UK ratings only. So, in your case, be careful to start the test before 14:30, so that your submissions arrive at 16:30 max.

sudoku, as far as I have understood the functioning of indian selections, you do not need to participate in the online test if you have already qualified, but I will let the organizers confirm it.

@ 2011-04-21 1:59 AM (#4084 - in reply to #4075) (#4084) Top

Fred76

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Fred76 posted @ 2011-04-21 1:59 AM

jaisbansal - 2011-04-19 11:05 PM

Hi,

Can anyone suggest any websites where we could find more of the variants for practice, specially the 'outside sudoku' & 'product frame sudoku'?

Thanks,
Jai

Product frame sudoku are quit rare, so I just created one

: http://sudokuvariante.blogspot.com/2011/04/product-frame-n1.html

You'll find others here: http://rohanrao.blogspot.com/search/label/Product%20Frame%20Sudoku and http://www.sachsentext.de/en/taxonomy/term/263

Fred

@ 2011-04-21 5:57 AM (#4085 - in reply to #4082) (#4085) Top

Organisers

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Organisers posted @ 2011-04-21 5:57 AM

sudoku - 2011-04-20 11:27 PM

HI,
I have qualified the regional round . Do I still need to participate in this to go to the finals because I got a mail from LMI saying that I am requested to take part in this one. Please clarify

It has been repeated several times, those who have qualified in regional round don't need to participate.
However, they can participate for practice. Practicing Sudoku is harmless and is the only way to improve :-)

Ours Brun is correct. It is so clearly mentioned in the rule pages. If you don't care to read the rules, you will have these kind of questions.

Regarding you qualifying from regional round, have you got any email from LMI regarding the same?

@ 2011-04-21 9:14 AM (#4086 - in reply to #4085) (#4086) Top

sudoku

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sudoku posted @ 2011-04-21 9:14 AM

Yes ! and thx for the info..

@ 2011-04-21 9:54 AM (#4087 - in reply to #4084) (#4087) Top

jaisbansal

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jaisbansal posted @ 2011-04-21 9:54 AM

Fred76 - 2011-04-21 1:59 AM

Product frame sudoku are quit rare, so I just created one

Thanks Fred...


	@ 2011-04-17 8:15 PM (#4046) (#4046) Top
Organisers Posts: 175 Country : India	Organisers posted @ 2011-04-17 8:15 PM Here is the link for Instruction Booklet that lists points table and list of Sudokus. Link - http://logicmastersindia.com/ISC2011/onlineQ.asp Please post any doubts in this thread only.
	@ 2011-04-17 8:23 PM (#4048 - in reply to #4046) (#4048) Top
akash.doulani Posts: 157 Country : India	akash.doulani posted @ 2011-04-17 8:23 PM great to see the ib out. but i couldnt quite get the meaning of "point value"
	@ 2011-04-18 6:03 AM (#4054 - in reply to #4048) (#4054) Top
Organisers Posts: 175 Country : India	Organisers posted @ 2011-04-18 6:03 AM akash.doulani - 2011-04-17 8:23 PM great to see the ib out. but i couldnt quite get the meaning of "point value" Forget about point value, this is what the whole points structure means If you solve a variant in 5 minutes you will get much more points than if you solve a Classic in same amount of time. In other words, a 35 points variant will take less time to solve than a 35 points Classic The summary is : You should spend most of your time on Variants.
	@ 2011-04-18 2:47 PM (#4058 - in reply to #4046) (#4058) Top
lmunira Posts: 8 Country : India	lmunira posted @ 2011-04-18 2:47 PM Hi, Any idea about the number of people who will be selected from this round for the finals? Also, I hope this online qualification round is open for everybody. Thanks, Munira. Edited by lmunira 2011-04-18 2:49 PM
	@ 2011-04-18 3:27 PM (#4059 - in reply to #4058) (#4059) Top
Organisers Posts: 175 Country : India	Organisers posted @ 2011-04-18 3:27 PM lmunira - 2011-04-18 2:47 PM Hi, Any idea about the number of people who will be selected from this round for the finals? Also, I hope this online qualification round is open for everybody. Thanks, Munira. We'll select 15 from the online round. Not sure what you mean by "everybody". Do you mean international participants? It is open to them for playing, but they can't qualify for ISC.
	@ 2011-04-18 3:57 PM (#4060 - in reply to #4046) (#4060) Top
utkaarsh Posts: 89 Country : India	utkaarsh posted @ 2011-04-18 3:57 PM Will the position bonus be amongst all players or for ISC players , will it be different, also those who have already qualified thru regional rounds,will their scores be counted for postion bonus
	@ 2011-04-18 4:08 PM (#4061 - in reply to #4060) (#4061) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-04-18 4:08 PM utkaarsh - 2011-04-18 3:57 PM Will the position bonus be amongst all players or for ISC players , will it be different, also those who have already qualified thru regional rounds,will their scores be counted for postion bonus Utkaarsh, Would it matter if we do either way? The aim is to select top 15 Indian players who haven't qualified from regional rounds.
	@ 2011-04-18 7:15 PM (#4062 - in reply to #4046) (#4062) Top
utkaarsh Posts: 89 Country : India	utkaarsh posted @ 2011-04-18 7:15 PM Deb true, looks like it will not matter either ways, i thot no harm if it is clarified, Edited by utkaarsh 2011-04-18 7:30 PM
	@ 2011-04-18 8:34 PM (#4063 - in reply to #4062) (#4063) Top
Fred76 Posts: 337 Country : Switzerland	Fred76 posted @ 2011-04-18 8:34 PM Nice IB, with easy grids, except Inequality Sudoku ! I'm not able to solve it... Can somebody explain how he cracked this one? Thanks Fred
	@ 2011-04-18 9:09 PM (#4064 - in reply to #4063) (#4064) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-04-18 9:09 PM Fred76 - 2011-04-18 8:34 PM Nice IB, with easy grids, except Inequality Sudoku ! I'm not able to solve it... Can somebody explain how he cracked this one? Thanks Fred Copied from http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/index.php/Comparative_Sudoku which in turn was copied from WSC3 IB
	@ 2011-04-18 9:18 PM (#4065 - in reply to #4064) (#4065) Top
Fred76 Posts: 337 Country : Switzerland	Fred76 posted @ 2011-04-18 9:18 PM debmohanty - 2011-04-18 9:09 PM Fred76 - 2011-04-18 8:34 PM Nice IB, with easy grids, except Inequality Sudoku ! I'm not able to solve it... Can somebody explain how he cracked this one? Thanks Fred Copied from http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/index.php/Comparative_Sudoku which in turn was copied from WSC3 IB I think I'm able to solve this one: http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/images/d/d0/Comparativesudoku-puzzl... . Look at the IB, it's definitely not the same ! Are you sure the grid in the IB has a unique solution? Fred
	@ 2011-04-18 9:23 PM (#4066 - in reply to #4065) (#4066) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-04-18 9:23 PM Fred76 - 2011-04-18 9:18 PM I think I'm able to solve this one: http://www.worldpuzzle.org/wiki/images/d/d0/Comparativesudoku-puzzl... . Look at the IB, it's definitely not the same ! Are you sure the grid in the IB has a unique solution? Fred No, it is not same. My mistake. I just copied from some old example thinking it is same as WSC08 example (because the digits' placement were same) Will update the IB.
	@ 2011-04-18 9:36 PM (#4067 - in reply to #4065) (#4067) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2011-04-18 9:36 PM Uploaded updated IB with correct example of Inequality
	@ 2011-04-19 3:05 AM (#4068 - in reply to #4067) (#4068) Top
Gareth Posts: 17 Country : United Kingdom	Gareth posted @ 2011-04-19 3:05 AM , Edited by Gareth 2011-04-19 3:07 AM
	@ 2011-04-19 11:59 AM (#4069 - in reply to #4059) (#4069) Top
lmunira Posts: 8 Country : India	lmunira posted @ 2011-04-19 11:59 AM Organisers - 2011-04-18 3:27 PM lmunira - 2011-04-18 2:47 PM Hi, Any idea about the number of people who will be selected from this round for the finals? Also, I hope this online qualification round is open for everybody. Thanks, Munira. We'll select 15 from the online round. Not sure what you mean by "everybody". Do you mean international participants? It is open to them for playing, but they can't qualify for ISC. By Everybody I meant people who have not participated in the earlier competitions that were conducted at various colleges and/or the online round in January. Thanks, Munira.
	@ 2011-04-19 11:05 PM (#4075 - in reply to #4046) (#4075) Top
jaisbansal Posts: 6 Country : India	jaisbansal posted @ 2011-04-19 11:05 PM Hi, Can anyone suggest any websites where we could find more of the variants for practice, specially the 'outside sudoku' & 'product frame sudoku'? Thanks, Jai
	@ 2011-04-19 11:16 PM (#4076 - in reply to #4075) (#4076) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2011-04-19 11:16 PM jaisbansal - 2011-04-19 11:05 PM Hi, Can anyone suggest any websites where we could find more of the variants for practice, specially the 'outside sudoku' & 'product frame sudoku'? Thanks, Jai go to http://www.argio-logic.net/sudoku/sudoku.php u may have to register to play Rishi
	@ 2011-04-20 2:31 PM (#4080 - in reply to #4076) (#4080) Top
jaisbansal Posts: 6 Country : India	jaisbansal posted @ 2011-04-20 2:31 PM Thanks Rishi :-)
	@ 2011-04-20 10:26 PM (#4081 - in reply to #4046) (#4081) Top
Kaushik Unava Posts: 3 Country : India	Kaushik Unava posted @ 2011-04-20 10:26 PM Timing • 120 minutes • Online round will start at 23-Apr-2011 14:00 IST • To qualify for ISC finals, all submissions before 23-Apr-2011 16:30 IST will be considered. So if you are aiming to qualify for ISC finals, start online round accordingly • The round will be open for 48 hours, and results will be used by LMI ratings and UKPA ratings This is what written in the PDF Booklet, Where in second point its mentioned that till 16.30 submission willl be considered while in 3rd point its mentioned that round will be open for 48 hours.........confusion guys........
	@ 2011-04-20 11:27 PM (#4082 - in reply to #4046) (#4082) Top
sudoku Posts: 4	sudoku posted @ 2011-04-20 11:27 PM HI, I have qualified the regional round . Do I still need to participate in this to go to the finals because I got a mail from LMI saying that I am requested to take part in this one. Please clarify
	@ 2011-04-21 12:55 AM (#4083 - in reply to #4046) (#4083) Top
Ours brun Posts: 148 Country : France	Ours brun posted @ 2011-04-21 12:55 AM Kaushik, the test is open for 48 hours but only submissions made before 23 april 16:30 IST will be considered regarding indian qualifications. Other results will be used for LMI and UK ratings only. So, in your case, be careful to start the test before 14:30, so that your submissions arrive at 16:30 max. sudoku, as far as I have understood the functioning of indian selections, you do not need to participate in the online test if you have already qualified, but I will let the organizers confirm it.
	@ 2011-04-21 1:59 AM (#4084 - in reply to #4075) (#4084) Top
Fred76 Posts: 337 Country : Switzerland	Fred76 posted @ 2011-04-21 1:59 AM jaisbansal - 2011-04-19 11:05 PM Hi, Can anyone suggest any websites where we could find more of the variants for practice, specially the 'outside sudoku' & 'product frame sudoku'? Thanks, Jai Product frame sudoku are quit rare, so I just created one : http://sudokuvariante.blogspot.com/2011/04/product-frame-n1.html You'll find others here: http://rohanrao.blogspot.com/search/label/Product%20Frame%20Sudoku and http://www.sachsentext.de/en/taxonomy/term/263 Fred
	@ 2011-04-21 5:57 AM (#4085 - in reply to #4082) (#4085) Top
Organisers Posts: 175 Country : India	Organisers posted @ 2011-04-21 5:57 AM sudoku - 2011-04-20 11:27 PM HI, I have qualified the regional round . Do I still need to participate in this to go to the finals because I got a mail from LMI saying that I am requested to take part in this one. Please clarify It has been repeated several times, those who have qualified in regional round don't need to participate. However, they can participate for practice. Practicing Sudoku is harmless and is the only way to improve :-) Ours Brun is correct. It is so clearly mentioned in the rule pages. If you don't care to read the rules, you will have these kind of questions. Regarding you qualifying from regional round, have you got any email from LMI regarding the same?
	@ 2011-04-21 9:14 AM (#4086 - in reply to #4085) (#4086) Top
sudoku Posts: 4	sudoku posted @ 2011-04-21 9:14 AM Yes ! and thx for the info..
	@ 2011-04-21 9:54 AM (#4087 - in reply to #4084) (#4087) Top
jaisbansal Posts: 6 Country : India	jaisbansal posted @ 2011-04-21 9:54 AM Fred76 - 2011-04-21 1:59 AM Product frame sudoku are quit rare, so I just created one : http://sudokuvariante.blogspot.com/2011/04/product-frame-n1.html You'll find others here: http://rohanrao.blogspot.com/search/label/Product%20Frame%20Sudoku and http://www.sachsentext.de/en/taxonomy/term/263 Fred Thanks Fred...