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Select the Tapa variations that you would want to see in TVC XIX
We are preparing TVC XIX puzzles considering result of the poll. 6 Most voted variations will be directly placed in TVC XIX. Link to Tapa Variations List.
OptionResults
Lonely Tapa (page 53)34 Votes - [13.33%]
Tapa Pentopool (page 4)30 Votes - [11.76%]
Thermometer Tapa (page 15)27 Votes - [10.59%]
Tapa Chain (page 44)22 Votes - [8.63%]
Tapa Row (page 23)21 Votes - [8.24%]
Anglers Tapa (page 29)20 Votes - [7.84%]
Math Tapa (page 3)19 Votes - [7.45%]
Latin Tapa (page 50)19 Votes - [7.45%]
Tapa Golem Grad (page 52)19 Votes - [7.45%]
Tapa: Complementary Pairs (page 41)16 Votes - [6.27%]
Radar Tapa (page 51)15 Votes - [5.88%]
3/4 Tapa (page 7)13 Votes - [5.1%]
This is a multiple choice poll.

@ 2016-12-10 4:05 AM (#22183 - in reply to #22182) (#22183) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2016-12-10 4:05 AM

Jacoblance - 2016-12-10 3:15 AM

Why are all answers marked as wrong? (Or just all 7 people who have submitted so far did not get any correct answers, but I doubt that!)
We had not (yet) entered the solution keys in the score page. Have done that now. Please check score page again.
@ 2016-12-10 8:33 AM (#22184 - in reply to #20678) (#22184) Top

chaotic_iak




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chaotic_iak posted @ 2016-12-10 8:33 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


All nice puzzles, no complaints. Okay, maybe Chain Tapa should be named Cyclic Tapa (#105, p40), but otherwise no problem. All good puzzles; memorable ones are Arrow Tapa, the second Anglers Tapa, and Tapa Pentopool (which I typoed because I thought the last grid was 10x10, not 11x11).
@ 2016-12-10 9:11 AM (#22185 - in reply to #20678) (#22185) Top

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mstang posted @ 2016-12-10 9:11 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-11 6:52 AM (#22187 - in reply to #20678) (#22187) Top

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WA1729 posted @ 2016-12-11 6:52 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


My favorites were 1-n, Arrows and Anglers. Thanks!
@ 2016-12-11 1:02 PM (#22190 - in reply to #20678) (#22190) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2016-12-11 1:02 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-11 8:39 PM (#22192 - in reply to #20678) (#22192) Top

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peluri posted @ 2016-12-11 8:39 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-11 10:30 PM (#22193 - in reply to #20678) (#22193) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2016-12-11 10:30 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-11 11:47 PM (#22194 - in reply to #20678) (#22194) Top

rob



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rob posted @ 2016-12-11 11:47 PM

Thanks Fatih and Serkan, that was a lovely set of puzzles.

I struggled quite a bit with the Chain Tapa, and breezed through the Power of Tapa, but other than that things felt pretty even.

Now I look forward to the next one!
@ 2016-12-12 10:29 AM (#22195 - in reply to #20678) (#22195) Top

Para



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Para posted @ 2016-12-12 10:29 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? I have a different complaint


I didn't really have a good run. There were a lot of errors on my side. I had to restart a number of puzzles.

The grey cells in the Chain Sudoku were too light for me. I couldn't really tell the difference between white and grey very well on my print. Also a minor nitpick, it wasn't technically the right variant as that was a Cyclic Tapa.
@ 2016-12-12 11:50 AM (#22198 - in reply to #20678) (#22198) Top

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ghirsch posted @ 2016-12-12 11:50 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


All of the puzzles I tried were very fun, thanks Serkan! I especially enjoyed the second Black Hole tapa, and the Arrows tapa.
@ 2016-12-12 1:34 PM (#22202 - in reply to #22195) (#22202) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2016-12-12 1:34 PM

Para - 2016-12-12 10:29 AM

I didn't really have a good run. There were a lot of errors on my side. I had to restart a number of puzzles.

The grey cells in the Chain Sudoku were too light for me. I couldn't really tell the difference between white and grey very well on my print. Also a minor nitpick, it wasn't technically the right variant as that was a Cyclic Tapa.


I didn't realize the gray cell brightness, mostly I'm using nearly same gray tones in a booklet, but next time I'll be much more careful about this. You are right about Chain Tapa, one of the competitors mentioned same issue, I know. Several years ago when Cihan offered these variants I said they are same, but from his side, it was not. I think the Cyclic Tapa variant already contains the Chain Tapa idea naturally, so Chain Tapa is not a different variant. After designing the competition puzzle for TVC XIX, I'm much more sure now. So I'm going to remove the Chain Tapa variant from the TVC Variant List.
@ 2016-12-13 12:21 AM (#22203 - in reply to #20678) (#22203) Top

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serdars posted @ 2016-12-13 12:21 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Honestly, this was my very first online contest and it was pretty fun. Puzzles were creatively designed(at least I can say this about the puzzles I accomplished to solve). I really enjoyed this idea of competing online on a particular type of puzzle and I am looking forward for the next one. Nicely done! Thank you for your effort!
@ 2016-12-13 12:43 AM (#22204 - in reply to #20678) (#22204) Top

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rhaenyst posted @ 2016-12-13 12:43 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2016-12-13 1:03 AM (#22205 - in reply to #22202) (#22205) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2016-12-13 1:03 AM

yureklis - 2016-12-12 4:34 PM

After designing the competition puzzle for TVC XIX, I'm much more sure now. So I'm going to remove the Chain Tapa variant from the TVC Variant List.


I'd remove Cyclic Tapa instead; cyclic implies it must make a cycle, while chain doesn't, so it's Cyclic Tapa that is contained in Chain Tapa, not the other way around.

I'd suggest to even change the name or something. For me, "chain" sounds like you solve a grid fully, then you move to the next grid and solve it fully, then the next, and so on; later grids don't influence earlier ones. But that's a minor nitpick; it's maybe just me.
@ 2016-12-13 4:16 AM (#22206 - in reply to #22202) (#22206) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2016-12-13 4:16 AM

yureklis - 2016-12-12 1:34 PM

I didn't realize the gray cell brightness, mostly I'm using nearly same gray tones in a booklet, but next time I'll be much more careful about this. You are right about Chain Tapa, one of the competitors mentioned same issue, I know. Several years ago when Cihan offered these variants I said they are same, but from his side, it was not. I think the Cyclic Tapa variant already contains the Chain Tapa idea naturally, so Chain Tapa is not a different variant. After designing the competition puzzle for TVC XIX, I'm much more sure now. So I'm going to remove the Chain Tapa variant from the TVC Variant List.


Having shaded and unshaded squares in this puzzles was not the best decision. I would rather use some easily recognizable pictures, for example squares, triangles, circles, stars to mark the chain clues. Anyway, thanks for the contest, it was pretty fun.

Edited by greenhorn 2016-12-13 4:17 AM
@ 2016-12-13 4:33 AM (#22207 - in reply to #20678) (#22207) Top

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KubySimsek posted @ 2016-12-13 4:33 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-13 4:38 AM (#22208 - in reply to #22206) (#22208) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2016-12-13 4:38 AM

greenhorn - 2016-12-13 4:16 AM

Having shaded and unshaded squares in this puzzles was not the best decision. I would rather use some easily recognizable pictures, for example squares, triangles, circles, stars to mark the chain clues. Anyway, thanks for the contest, it was pretty fun.


It make sense, I'll change the example and instruction of the puzzle as you suggested
@ 2016-12-13 6:49 AM (#22209 - in reply to #20678) (#22209) Top

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Grizix posted @ 2016-12-13 6:49 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-13 9:07 AM (#22210 - in reply to #20678) (#22210) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2016-12-13 9:07 AM

Link to solutions booklet
@ 2016-12-13 1:44 PM (#22211 - in reply to #20678) (#22211) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2016-12-13 1:44 PM

Thanks to all participants.

Top three are as follows:

1. Endo Ken (Japan) [18/18, 61:34 min]
2. Hideaki Jo (Japan) [18/18, 71:53 min]
3. Robert Vollmert (DEU) [18/18, 69:58 min]

After nearly 10-11 months break, finally we can keep going. Having a such long break, that was not planned, it should have been 2-3 months because of my broken hand, but I couldn't do that, so I'm sorry for this.

You know, in TVC series first one is always easier than the second one, I mean each leg of a series is getting harder. It means TVC XIX had to be harder than the TVC XVIII, so it does; because comparing last two results of TVC explain it. From my side, if we select a Tapa Master who must solve any kind of Tapa puzzles and difficulty range shouldn't be a case for him/her. However, there are some newcomers, and hard or complicated puzzles make trouble for them. My plan (I haven't shared with Kamer yet :) ) for the TVC XX is to increase number of puzzles in order to have an easy/medium and hard puzzles for each type. Thus we can introduce puzzles with a wide range of difficulty to all competitors.

About TVC XIX

4 solvers submitted all puzzles correctly, some of them accomplished this before the end, some of them made it happen in extra time; but all did.

In this Serie, Endo Ken got first place three legs in a row, this amazing performance was showed once before by Palmer Mebane, in 2012.

- The puzzle solved by least competitors was Power of Tapa. It was solved by 18 competitors.

- The puzzle solved by most competitors was Thermometer Tapa (Top). It was solved by 110 competitors.

- The puzzle with the highest rating was Tapa 1-n. (8.83) and the puzzle with the lowest rating was Anglers Tapa (Top) (6.70).

Full results table is here: http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/XIX/score.asp

Cumulative Results after three legs: http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/2016.asp

Tapa and Variations Ebook

The last thing I should mention this. As some of puzzle designers, I'm sure you know all of them, we've been contributing to Grandmaster Puzzles. Recently the list of ebooks of GMP was updated, and one of the newest ebooks is the Tapa and Variations ebook, prepared by me. About the ebook, copied from the page: "This collection of 65 puzzles includes 17 new classic Tapa (including 1 giant), 36 new puzzles spread across 9 variations, and 12 favorites from past puzzle competitions." So if you are a newcomer, or you like to solve Tapa, this ebook might be satisfying to you.

Here is the link: http://www.gmpuzzles.com/store/classic-and-variations-series

Please feel free to share any ideas.

Best,

serkan
@ 2016-12-14 2:44 AM (#22212 - in reply to #20678) (#22212) Top

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Nola posted @ 2016-12-14 2:44 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2016-12-14 11:53 PM (#22214 - in reply to #20678) (#22214) Top

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AndreyBogdanov posted @ 2016-12-14 11:53 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Probably the only complain is clues in chain tapa. Grey color was hardly visible to me.
All other complaind is only about my performance. How is it possible to make a submission mistake at most valuable puzzle?

Edited by AndreyBogdanov 2016-12-14 11:53 PM
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