Odd Even - 24th-26th Oct - Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC Qualifier
@ 2015-10-20 7:24 AM (#19640) (#19640) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-10-20 7:24 AM





Link for rules and other details about Sudoku Mahabharat : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16.asp
Instructions for Odd Even - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201510/

@ 2015-10-20 8:56 AM (#19641 - in reply to #19640) (#19641) Top

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mikeylyk posted @ 2015-10-20 8:56 AM

is there a "dark rule" on Odd Sum Pair?
@ 2015-10-20 8:59 AM (#19642 - in reply to #19640) (#19642) Top

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mikeylyk posted @ 2015-10-20 8:59 AM

same question for Odd Even Count...
@ 2015-10-20 9:20 AM (#19643 - in reply to #19641) (#19643) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-20 9:20 AM

mikeylyk - 2015-10-20 8:56 AM

is there a "dark rule" on Odd Sum Pair?


What you meant by dark rule ?
I assume if what you meant is that "All Odd Sum Pair's are given" then answer is "NO". i.e. there is no converse rule.
And same is the answer for Odd Even Count, no converse rule applicable. i.e. not all circles are given.
@ 2015-10-20 7:55 PM (#19644 - in reply to #19640) (#19644) Top

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shera90 posted @ 2015-10-20 7:55 PM

I can't participate on these dates due to some office work. So I am asking the administrator to please consider my request to extend this round by 1 day as I can't participate before 7 pm IST on 26 Oct 2015

Edited by shera90 2015-10-20 7:56 PM
@ 2015-10-21 8:05 AM (#19645 - in reply to #19640) (#19645) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-21 8:05 AM

Practice Puzzles Links from Last year's test:
Odd Sum Pair Sudoku
LMI: Classics vs Innovatives – http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201208S
Puzzle Mix – http://www.puzzlemix.com/Odd%20Pair%20Sudoku
http://swaroopg92.blogspot.com/2014/11/puzzle-no-112-odd-sum-pair.h...
No Even Neighbours Sudoku
Rohan Rao’s old blog – http://rohanrao.blogspot.in/search/label/No%20Even%20Neighbours%20S...
Bastien Vial-Jaime’s old blog – http://ile-logique.blogspot.in/search/label/even%20in%20hell
Slovak Sudoku – http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/2014/10/no-even-neighbours-sudo...
Swaroop Guggilam’s blog – http://swaroopg92.blogspot.in/search/label/No%20even%20Neighbor%20S...
Quadro Sudoku
LMI: Classic Look-Alikes – http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201007S
Bastien Vial-Jaime’s old blog – http://ile-logique.blogspot.in/search/label/quadro%20sudoku
Slovak Sudoku – http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/2014/10/quadro-sudoku.html
Odd Even Count Sudoku
LMI: ISC2011 Round 2 – http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=isc2011
Prasanna Seshadri’s blog – http://prasannaseshadri.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/puzzle-no-497-odd-...
http://www.funwithpuzzles.com/2014/08/oddeven-count-sudoku-fun-with...

Last Year's Contest: http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=SM201411 (If this is first time you are participating in SM, then going through this test would be very helpful)

***** Important Tip for this Test: Notation of marking a cell, if it could be even or odd during solving, would help a lot. *****
@ 2015-10-21 1:36 PM (#19646 - in reply to #19645) (#19646) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-10-21 1:36 PM

swaroop2011 - 2015-10-21 8:05 AM

Practice Puzzles Links from Last year's test:
Odd Sum Pair Sudoku
LMI: Classics vs Innovatives – http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201208S
Puzzle Mix – http://www.puzzlemix.com/Odd%20Pair%20Sudoku
http://swaroopg92.blogspot.com/2014/11/puzzle-no-112-odd-sum-pair.h...
No Even Neighbours Sudoku
Rohan Rao’s old blog – http://rohanrao.blogspot.in/search/label/No%20Even%20Neighbours%20S...
Bastien Vial-Jaime’s old blog – http://ile-logique.blogspot.in/search/label/even%20in%20hell
Slovak Sudoku – http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/2014/10/no-even-neighbours-sudo...
Swaroop Guggilam’s blog – http://swaroopg92.blogspot.in/search/label/No%20even%20Neighbor%20S...
Quadro Sudoku
LMI: Classic Look-Alikes – http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201007S
Bastien Vial-Jaime’s old blog – http://ile-logique.blogspot.in/search/label/quadro%20sudoku
Slovak Sudoku – http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/2014/10/quadro-sudoku.html
Odd Even Count Sudoku
LMI: ISC2011 Round 2 – http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=isc2011
Prasanna Seshadri’s blog – http://prasannaseshadri.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/puzzle-no-497-odd-...
http://www.funwithpuzzles.com/2014/08/oddeven-count-sudoku-fun-with...

Last Year's Contest: http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=SM201411 (If this is first time you are participating in SM, then going through this test would be very helpful)

***** Important Tip for this Test: Notation of marking a cell, if it could be even or odd during solving, would help a lot. *****


Thanks for the links Swaroop. They seem to be really exhaustive in relation to the test.An excellent platform laid before taking the test .......
@ 2015-10-21 3:05 PM (#19648 - in reply to #19644) (#19648) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-10-21 3:05 PM

shera90 - 2015-10-20 7:55 PM

I can't participate on these dates due to some office work. So I am asking the administrator to please consider my request to extend this round by 1 day as I can't participate before 7 pm IST on 26 Oct 2015

The contest will be open till 5:30AM on Tuesday (IST). So you have approximately 10 hours to participate after 7PM on 26th.
@ 2015-10-23 8:24 PM (#19655 - in reply to #19640) (#19655) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-23 8:24 PM

Good Luck to All. Enjoy :)
@ 2015-10-24 1:07 AM (#19656 - in reply to #19640) (#19656) Top

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 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 9:22 AM (#19657 - in reply to #19640) (#19657) Top

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justinlam3 posted @ 2015-10-24 9:22 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 10:42 AM (#19658 - in reply to #19640) (#19658) Top

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tamz29 posted @ 2015-10-24 10:42 AM

Great test.
I found the 6x6 quite tough in Quadro and Odd-Even count.
Favourite: Odd-Sum Pair

Wasted 5 minutes to get printer working properly :(
Though I think everyone has their share of printer-horror stories.

Edited by tamz29 2015-10-24 10:43 AM
@ 2015-10-24 1:23 PM (#19659 - in reply to #19640) (#19659) Top

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asudoku posted @ 2015-10-24 1:23 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 1:36 PM (#19660 - in reply to #19640) (#19660) Top

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peluri posted @ 2015-10-24 1:36 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 5:47 PM (#19661 - in reply to #19640) (#19661) Top

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vopani posted @ 2015-10-24 5:47 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Very nice set.

For the 6x6 No Even Neighbours, I directly filled the 5 remaining cells of the answer key (3rd row) without putting any other digit :-)
@ 2015-10-24 6:41 PM (#19662 - in reply to #19640) (#19662) Top

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distri posted @ 2015-10-24 6:41 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 6:56 PM (#19663 - in reply to #19640) (#19663) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2015-10-24 6:56 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 8:47 PM (#19664 - in reply to #19640) (#19664) Top

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TiiT posted @ 2015-10-24 8:47 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


The main problem was the answer keys, because there were few sudokus where I filled less than half cells. It's perfect competition for the beginners, although I found the last puzzle very very uncomfortable to solve (quite hard). So, it matches the idea about not to put too hard puzzles there, just you need to use a bit more narrow solving paths or just work more with where to putt the andwer keys.
@ 2015-10-24 9:06 PM (#19665 - in reply to #19640) (#19665) Top

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ghirsch posted @ 2015-10-24 9:06 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-24 9:24 PM (#19666 - in reply to #19659) (#19666) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-24 9:24 PM

asudoku - 2015-10-24 1:23 PM



Please let us know which sudokus you had trouble, we would be happy to guide you through solving path.
@ 2015-10-25 12:31 AM (#19667 - in reply to #19640) (#19667) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2015-10-25 12:31 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-25 8:16 AM (#19668 - in reply to #19640) (#19668) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-10-25 8:16 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-25 11:55 AM (#19669 - in reply to #19640) (#19669) Top

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mihiryadav posted @ 2015-10-25 11:55 AM

In odd or even 9*9....is it odd sudoku?
@ 2015-10-25 11:59 AM (#19670 - in reply to #19669) (#19670) Top

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vopani posted @ 2015-10-25 11:59 AM

mihiryadav - 2015-10-25 11:55 AM

In odd or even 9*9....is it odd sudoku?

Yes.
@ 2015-10-25 3:40 PM (#19671 - in reply to #19640) (#19671) Top

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MrLiang posted @ 2015-10-25 3:40 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-25 5:13 PM (#19672 - in reply to #19640) (#19672) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2015-10-25 5:13 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-25 5:43 PM (#19673 - in reply to #19640) (#19673) Top

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Kwaka posted @ 2015-10-25 5:43 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many easy puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


@ 2015-10-25 5:45 PM (#19674 - in reply to #19640) (#19674) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2015-10-25 5:45 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-25 8:29 PM (#19675 - in reply to #19640) (#19675) Top

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pranavmanu posted @ 2015-10-25 8:29 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-25 8:46 PM (#19676 - in reply to #19640) (#19676) Top

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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2015-10-25 8:46 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Thanks.. Swaroop and Ashish, for such a nice puzzles set and nice solving paths.
@ 2015-10-25 11:21 PM (#19677 - in reply to #19640) (#19677) Top

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lenson posted @ 2015-10-25 11:21 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 5:53 AM (#19678 - in reply to #19658) (#19678) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-26 5:53 AM

tamz29 - 2015-10-24 10:42 AM

Great test.
I found the 6x6 quite tough in Quadro and Odd-Even count.
Favourite: Odd-Sum Pair

Wasted 5 minutes to get printer working properly :(
Though I think everyone has their share of printer-horror stories.


Thanks for your feedback. I am glad you enjoyed the test.
@ 2015-10-26 5:54 AM (#19679 - in reply to #19661) (#19679) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-26 5:54 AM

Rohan Rao - 2015-10-24 5:47 PM

Very nice set.

For the 6x6 No Even Neighbours, I directly filled the 5 remaining cells of the answer key (3rd row) without putting any other digit :-)


Thanks for your feedback. Will be more careful next time in selecting answer keys.
@ 2015-10-26 6:05 AM (#19680 - in reply to #19664) (#19680) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-26 6:05 AM

TiiT - 2015-10-24 8:47 PM

The main problem was the answer keys, because there were few sudokus where I filled less than half cells. It's perfect competition for the beginners, although I found the last puzzle very very uncomfortable to solve (quite hard). So, it matches the idea about not to put too hard puzzles there, just you need to use a bit more narrow solving paths or just work more with where to putt the andwer keys.


Thanks for your feedback. I hope you enjoyed the test overall.
Can you specify the Sudokus where you filled less than half cells ? . I hope they were all 6*6 size sudokus where this was possible. I like your idea of having bit more narrow solving paths, which will reduce this issue to some extent in such small grids. The challenge was, we are experimenting to have just 1 answer key for 6*6 size sudokus instead of 2 answer keys which we usually have. So I believe it is difficult to find just 1 row or 1 column which will be filled last in 6*6 size grids. But definitely we can improve the choice at least in some of them, for e.g. No Even Neighbor 6*6 as pointed by Rohan. Will try our best to improve upon that in upcoming tests.

Once again thanks for your suggestions.
@ 2015-10-26 7:51 AM (#19682 - in reply to #19640) (#19682) Top

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puneet87 posted @ 2015-10-26 7:51 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 7:57 AM (#19683 - in reply to #19676) (#19683) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-26 7:57 AM

gaurav.kjain - 2015-10-25 8:46 PM

Thanks.. Swaroop and Ashish, for such a nice puzzles set and nice solving paths.


Thanks gaurav. I am glad you enjoyed.
@ 2015-10-26 9:20 AM (#19684 - in reply to #19640) (#19684) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2015-10-26 9:20 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 11:08 AM (#19685 - in reply to #19640) (#19685) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2015-10-26 11:08 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 12:18 PM (#19686 - in reply to #19640) (#19686) Top

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carburra posted @ 2015-10-26 12:18 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 1:41 PM (#19687 - in reply to #19640) (#19687) Top

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akash.doulani posted @ 2015-10-26 1:41 PM

i submitted around 4 seconds before the stipulated time, but due to slow internet connection , it wasnt submitted. could the organisers look into the matter?
@ 2015-10-26 2:08 PM (#19688 - in reply to #19640) (#19688) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-10-26 2:08 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


A fun and excellent test!The pattern of digits and the theme in almost all the sudokus were really nice.
I greatly enjoyed solving No Even neighbours(12) which forced me to use some marking for odd/Even that I usually forget in sudokus.
The Odd Even Count was exciting too .I enjoyed spotting the triplet (3-4-5)in the middle Box.In addition,I remember doing something with the 6 which was really good too.Of the Classics, the 1-9 theme and O and E theme stood out.I never really thought about points as I completed all sudokus until the last digit was put even though the answer keys came earlier.Had my own share of problems in the form of catridge drying out and me replacing it in the middle of the test,printing the alignment page (which I was forced to do)but they never diminished my experience of the test in any way.

Regards share of creation,I can almost say which were created by whom :)
No Even /Odd Even count --Swaroop///
Odd Sum Pair/Quadro --Ashish

Thanks for the test!Good work.

@ 2015-10-26 2:28 PM (#19689 - in reply to #19640) (#19689) Top

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lenzo posted @ 2015-10-26 2:28 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 9:42 PM (#19691 - in reply to #19640) (#19691) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2015-10-26 9:42 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-26 10:02 PM (#19692 - in reply to #19688) (#19692) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-26 10:02 PM

kishy72 - 2015-10-26 2:08 PM

A fun and excellent test!The pattern of digits and the theme in almost all the sudokus were really nice.
I greatly enjoyed solving No Even neighbours(12) which forced me to use some marking for odd/Even that I usually forget in sudokus.
The Odd Even Count was exciting too .I enjoyed spotting the triplet (3-4-5)in the middle Box.In addition,I remember doing something with the 6 which was really good too.Of the Classics, the 1-9 theme and O and E theme stood out.I never really thought about points as I completed all sudokus until the last digit was put even though the answer keys came earlier.Had my own share of problems in the form of catridge drying out and me replacing it in the middle of the test,printing the alignment page (which I was forced to do)but they never diminished my experience of the test in any way.

Regards share of creation,I can almost say which were created by whom :)
No Even /Odd Even count --Swaroop///
Odd Sum Pair/Quadro --Ashish

Thanks for the test!Good work.



Thanks for your feedback. I am happy that you enjoyed.
Well I would wait till the test ends, to reveal who created which puzzle. Till then keep guessing ;)
@ 2015-10-26 10:56 PM (#19694 - in reply to #19640) (#19694) Top

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shera90 posted @ 2015-10-26 10:56 PM

In odd even count 6*6, I had put incorrect answer keys. But when I tried to correct it, the previous incorrect keys couldn't be deleted. Why ?
@ 2015-10-27 2:43 AM (#19697 - in reply to #19640) (#19697) Top

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B. Thananon posted @ 2015-10-27 2:43 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


@ 2015-10-27 5:37 AM (#19698 - in reply to #19640) (#19698) Top

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witty posted @ 2015-10-27 5:37 AM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-10-27 5:49 AM (#19699 - in reply to #19640) (#19699) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-10-27 5:49 AM

With no more participants at this time, this episode of Mahabharat is over.

Password removed from pdf and solutions appended.

Leader-board updated - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16-ranks.asp
@ 2015-10-27 7:21 AM (#19701 - in reply to #19640) (#19701) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-27 7:21 AM

I would request all participants if possible, please do rate the puzzles. That will help us to improve upon upcoming tests.
Thank you for everyone for participating and your feedback and making this test a success.
Congrats to Top 3 Indians:
1) Rohan Rao
2) abth261 (Anil Thakur)
3) Rakesh Rai

Also Congrats to Top 3 overall:
1) jaku111
2) TiiT
3) Jan Zverina

Sorry for short reply. I will put detailed comment soon (hopefully by tomorrow).
@ 2015-10-27 9:57 AM (#19702 - in reply to #19640) (#19702) Top

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ashaash11ash posted @ 2015-10-27 9:57 AM

Thanks to all the participants who have given this test. thank you everyone for your feedback and for rating the test.
congrats to top 3 Indians and even to top 3 Overall. most of the puzzles were authored by Swaroop and i really thank him as he at all times was really helpful in understanding me.
i thank to Deb for giving me an opportunity to author an SM round. Nothing much to say but i again thanks everyone. :)
@ 2015-10-27 10:05 AM (#19703 - in reply to #19640) (#19703) Top

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ashaash11ash posted @ 2015-10-27 10:05 AM

solutions appended in puzzle booklet are IB solutions. please do change :)
@ 2015-10-27 11:47 AM (#19704 - in reply to #19703) (#19704) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-27 11:47 AM

ashaash11ash - 2015-10-27 10:05 AM

solutions appended in puzzle booklet are IB solutions. please do change :)


Changed.
@ 2015-10-27 2:46 PM (#19705 - in reply to #19704) (#19705) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2015-10-27 2:46 PM

Thanks for the tournament !

Nice sudokus ! Appropriate level of difficulty for intermediate players I think.
It was nice to restart playing sudoku after WSC with this test.

About the answer keys and the choice of rows/columns: I didn't care that much about codes on this tournament, perhaps because since WSC I'm used to fill all cells in each sudoku I solve.
However I also noticed here and there that the choices of rows/columns for answer keys were not always optimal.
On a few 9*9 sudokus, the 2 rows/columns choosen covered only 3 regions (for example on 9*9 No Even Neighbours). While it can be a good choice for some sudokus, you have to be sure that these 3 regions are really the end of solving path of this sudoku. It's always a risky choice. On the 9*9 No even neighbours I found that it was not optimal.
@ 2015-10-29 3:10 AM (#19714 - in reply to #19705) (#19714) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-29 3:10 AM

Fred76 - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM

Thanks for the tournament !

Nice sudokus ! Appropriate level of difficulty for intermediate players I think.
It was nice to restart playing sudoku after WSC with this test.

About the answer keys and the choice of rows/columns: I didn't care that much about codes on this tournament, perhaps because since WSC I'm used to fill all cells in each sudoku I solve.
However I also noticed here and there that the choices of rows/columns for answer keys were not always optimal.
On a few 9*9 sudokus, the 2 rows/columns choosen covered only 3 regions (for example on 9*9 No Even Neighbours). While it can be a good choice for some sudokus, you have to be sure that these 3 regions are really the end of solving path of this sudoku. It's always a risky choice. On the 9*9 No even neighbours I found that it was not optimal.


Thanks Fred for feedback. Will be careful for next test.
@ 2015-10-29 3:23 AM (#19715 - in reply to #19640) (#19715) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-29 3:23 AM

Once again congrats to Top 3 Indians as well as Overall. Top 10 list are usual puzzlers with some notable new names of Anil Thakur (2nd) and Shaheer Rahman (10th). Also the performances by shankarsudhir, Mamta and Pranav are worth noting.
Stats:
Total 322 players participated with 299 players having nonzero score.
Standard 6x6 1st was submitted by most people. Top rated puzzles were 1) Odd-Even Count (6x6) - 9.79 2) Quadro (9x9) - 9.48 3) Classic (9x9 - 3rd) - 9.23
In the solution booklet you can find who created which Sudoku.
I would like to thank Deb for giving us opportunity to author this round. I would also like to thank Rishi for testing this round and his feedback. Thanks once again to all participants.

See you soon in upcoming Evergreen round of PR by Amit Sowani and then Math round of SM by Rohan Rao. Good luck for all remaining rounds.
@ 2015-10-29 3:23 AM (#19716 - in reply to #19688) (#19716) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-10-29 3:23 AM

kishy72 - 2015-10-26 2:08 PM


Regards share of creation,I can almost say which were created by whom :)
No Even /Odd Even count --Swaroop///
Odd Sum Pair/Quadro --Ashish

Thanks for the test!Good work.



You had 25% accuracy of guessing. ;)
@ 2015-10-29 5:30 PM (#19721 - in reply to #19640) (#19721) Top

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RameshLMI posted @ 2015-10-29 5:30 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-11-06 7:07 AM (#19823 - in reply to #19640) (#19823) Top

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abth261 posted @ 2015-11-06 7:07 AM

Why do I get 'D' in front of my name in the ranklist ? Also my name was removed from the final ranklist.
@ 2015-11-06 5:54 PM (#19832 - in reply to #19823) (#19832) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-11-06 5:54 PM

abth261 - 2015-11-06 7:07 AM

Why do I get 'D' in front of my name in the ranklist ? Also my name was removed from the final ranklist.


D stands for disqualified.It usually happens when the organizer(s)or the administrator is fairly certain that the contestant has used 'unfair' means to reach the score that he/she eventually did.
@ 2015-11-06 6:37 PM (#19834 - in reply to #19823) (#19834) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-11-06 6:37 PM

abth261 - 2015-11-06 7:07 AM

Why do I get 'D' in front of my name in the ranklist ? Also my name was removed from the final ranklist.


We have automated means to detect suspicious timings, and so we have disqualified you. If you want to pursue this, you may contact us on logicmastersadmin@gmail.com, but remember that you will come under scrutiny at the offline finals to see if you really do possess this level of speed, and if not, we may ban you from competing in future contests.
@ 2015-11-07 5:39 PM (#19852 - in reply to #19834) (#19852) Top

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abth261 posted @ 2015-11-07 5:39 PM

you have stated that you have detected suspicious timing . many contestants have finished much before mine was that not suspicious?. also in puzzle ramayan i have not solved all the puzzles. i have solved as much as i could.if at all if any unfair means were to be used. i could have given solutions for all 22 puzzles . i respect your decision. if at all you do not allow me to participate, i do not mind.but reason given to disqualify was not satisfactory. rules should be same to all.only myself was disqualified. that is disappoiniting & discouraging. THANKS
@ 2015-11-08 2:46 AM (#19868 - in reply to #19852) (#19868) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-11-08 2:46 AM

abth261 - 2015-11-07 5:39 PM

you have stated that you have detected suspicious timing . many contestants have finished much before mine was that not suspicious?. also in puzzle ramayan i have not solved all the puzzles. i have solved as much as i could.if at all if any unfair means were to be used. i could have given solutions for all 22 puzzles . i respect your decision. if at all you do not allow me to participate, i do not mind.but reason given to disqualify was not satisfactory. rules should be same to all.only myself was disqualified. that is disappoiniting & discouraging. THANKS


You seem to be more concerned with the reason given for your dis-qualification rather than for the fact that if there were any truth behind it.

Understand that it is never in the interest of the organizers to intentionally disqualify or discourage anyone.The people that you seem to accuse(the ones who have taken lesser time than yours)have all been representing their national teams in World sudoku championships and/or regularly featuring in LMI tests.Their performances both offline and online are consistent (Just click on their names and you can see their Rank score,Prorated score etc., over a period of time).Also remember that if someone solves unfairly and reaches the top 50,not only does it not seem right but it also robs a spot for a person who has been solving fairly and deserves a place in the finals.

Despite all this,if you still think that there has been a 'grave error' committed when it came to judging you ,you are free to take up the issue at the email-id provided.But also keep in mind the caveat that has been given.

Administrator - 2015-11-06 6:37 PM

remember that you will come under scrutiny at the offline finals to see if you really do possess this level of speed, and if not, we may ban you from competing in future contests.
@ 2015-11-09 11:01 AM (#19870 - in reply to #19640) (#19870) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-11-09 11:01 AM

Anil - Since you asked for more details, a mail has been sent to you explaining our reasoning. If you want to reach a satisfying resolution, please check and reply to it. Please note that the reasoning for disqualification is not just getting a good score.