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@ 2015-03-12 4:57 AM (#17883) (#17883) Top

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Link for rules and other details about Sudoku Mahabharat : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/
Instructions for Converse - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201503/

@ 2015-03-13 9:07 AM (#17897 - in reply to #17883) (#17897) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-03-13 9:07 AM

Converse

Instruction Booklet for Converse published.

Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/201503/


@ 2015-03-13 7:46 PM (#17901 - in reply to #17883) (#17901) Top

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Hemant Kr Malani posted @ 2015-03-13 7:46 PM

In the 9x9 Average Sudoku of the IB no cell is marked by horizontal or vertical lines
@ 2015-03-13 7:54 PM (#17902 - in reply to #17901) (#17902) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-03-13 7:54 PM

Hemant Kr Malani - 2015-03-13 7:46 PM

In the 9x9 Average Sudoku of the IB no cell is marked by horizontal or vertical lines


The rules state that "All possible lines are marked " .So if there are no lines it means that there are no such occurences of numbers which are average of their horizontal or vertical neighbours.
@ 2015-03-13 7:59 PM (#17903 - in reply to #17902) (#17903) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2015-03-13 7:59 PM

Kishore is right. This particular example was selected intentionally to show that such puzzles can be made without any "circles" / "bars" / "lines", and are often part of championships.
@ 2015-03-13 8:45 PM (#17907 - in reply to #17883) (#17907) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-03-13 8:45 PM

Here goes some Tips and Tricks to crack some of the types in this test and bunch of links for practice puzzles.
http://swaroopg92.blogspot.com/2015/03/sudoku-mahabharat-episode-7-...
Have fun :)
Good luck to all :)

Edited by swaroop2011 2015-03-13 8:45 PM
@ 2015-03-14 6:55 PM (#17920 - in reply to #17903) (#17920) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-03-14 6:55 PM

debmohanty - 2015-03-13 7:59 PM

Kishore is right. This particular example was selected intentionally to show that such puzzles can be made without any "circles" / "bars" / "lines", and are often part of championships.
Since "The Sudoku booklet will look exactly like next 8 pages in this instruction booklet.", do we safely assume that there will be no horizontal or vertical "lines" in the PB too (for Average Sudoku)...
@ 2015-03-14 9:53 PM (#17922 - in reply to #17920) (#17922) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2015-03-14 9:53 PM

rakesh_rai - 2015-03-14 6:55 PM

debmohanty - 2015-03-13 7:59 PM

Kishore is right. This particular example was selected intentionally to show that such puzzles can be made without any "circles" / "bars" / "lines", and are often part of championships.
Since "The Sudoku booklet will look exactly like next 8 pages in this instruction booklet.", do we safely assume that there will be no horizontal or vertical "lines" in the PB too (for Average Sudoku)...
If you safely assume that, you can also assume that the "bars" / "dots" / "circles" in the Sudoku booklet will be same as in the IB for ALL puzzles. May be the digit clues will also be same.
@ 2015-03-15 10:43 AM (#17931 - in reply to #17902) (#17931) Top

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shera90 posted @ 2015-03-15 10:43 AM

kishy72 - 2015-03-13 7:54 PM

Hemant Kr Malani - 2015-03-13 7:46 PM

In the 9x9 Average Sudoku of the IB no cell is marked by horizontal or vertical lines


The rules state that "All possible lines are marked " .So if there are no lines it means that there are no such occurences of numbers which are average of their horizontal or vertical neighbours.


then it is classic sudoku ? isn't it ?
@ 2015-03-15 11:12 AM (#17932 - in reply to #17931) (#17932) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-03-15 11:12 AM

shera90 - 2015-03-15 10:43 AM

kishy72 - 2015-03-13 7:54 PM

Hemant Kr Malani - 2015-03-13 7:46 PM

In the 9x9 Average Sudoku of the IB no cell is marked by horizontal or vertical lines


The rules state that "All possible lines are marked " .So if there are no lines it means that there are no such occurences of numbers which are average of their horizontal or vertical neighbours.


then it is classic sudoku ? isn't it ?

Classic sudoku with additional constraint that no cell is the average of its two vertical or horizontal neighbours. This is the "converse" rule for average.
@ 2015-03-15 2:43 PM (#17933 - in reply to #17932) (#17933) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-03-15 2:43 PM

Administrator - 2015-03-15 11:12 AM

shera90 - 2015-03-15 10:43 AM

kishy72 - 2015-03-13 7:54 PM

Hemant Kr Malani - 2015-03-13 7:46 PM

In the 9x9 Average Sudoku of the IB no cell is marked by horizontal or vertical lines


The rules state that "All possible lines are marked " .So if there are no lines it means that there are no such occurences of numbers which are average of their horizontal or vertical neighbours.


then it is classic sudoku ? isn't it ?

Classic sudoku with additional constraint that no cell is the average of its two vertical or horizontal neighbours. This is the "converse" rule for average.


Adding to that ,in due course of time,you will understand that the converse rule too plays a pivotal rule in many sudokus.At times,you will reach a stage where there won't be any progress attained by using the normal classic rules of sudoku but using the converse rule and realizing that a certain number won't be in a particular cell will help you make progress.
@ 2015-03-15 3:02 PM (#17934 - in reply to #17902) (#17934) Top

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Hemant Kr Malani posted @ 2015-03-15 3:02 PM

ok...thank you
@ 2015-03-17 2:08 PM (#17976 - in reply to #17920) (#17976) Top

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saravanan posted @ 2015-03-17 2:08 PM

rakesh_rai - 2015-03-14 6:55 PM

debmohanty - 2015-03-13 7:59 PM

Kishore is right. This particular example was selected intentionally to show that such puzzles can be made without any "circles" / "bars" / "lines", and are often part of championships.
Since "The Sudoku booklet will look exactly like next 8 pages in this instruction booklet.", do we safely assume that there will be no horizontal or vertical "lines" in the PB too (for Average Sudoku)...
@ 2015-03-19 9:20 AM (#18015 - in reply to #17883) (#18015) Top

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akash.doulani posted @ 2015-03-19 9:20 AM

Are the points distribution for converse out ?
@ 2015-03-19 9:33 AM (#18016 - in reply to #18015) (#18016) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-03-19 9:33 AM

akash.doulani - 2015-03-19 9:20 AM

Are the points distribution for converse out ?


It's not out yet.
But it will be out soon.
@ 2015-03-19 10:24 PM (#18021 - in reply to #17883) (#18021) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-03-19 10:24 PM

@ 2015-03-20 8:56 AM (#18025 - in reply to #18021) (#18025) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-03-20 8:56 AM

Points distributions

An updated version of Instruction Booklet with points table is now uploaded.



@ 2015-03-21 12:01 AM (#18035 - in reply to #17883) (#18035) Top

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purvishah posted @ 2015-03-21 12:01 AM

Can I please get Hints to get started with kropki sudoku?
@ 2015-03-21 12:57 AM (#18038 - in reply to #18035) (#18038) Top

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purvishah - 2015-03-21 12:01 AM

Can I please get Hints to get started with kropki sudoku?

Try to find a series of two or three black dots in succession within a row/column/box. They can be 124 or 248 (for 2 black dots) and 1248 (for three black dots). Normally you will get a contradiction with some of the possibilities and be able to proceed. Also, 5/7/9 cannot occupy a cell with a black dot. If there is no series of two or three dots, you may have to go ahead with pencilmarking of the cells containing black dots first, and proceed. In general, the starting hints are hidden in or around the cells with black dots. Also, if there is a long series of white dots in succession, they can also help start.

You can also look through the following discussions:

http://rohanrao.blogspot.in/2008/11/rules-of-kropki.html

http://www.sudokuxtra.com/forum/read.php?2,1138
@ 2015-03-21 4:54 AM (#18039 - in reply to #17883) (#18039) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2015-03-21 4:54 AM

With less than a hour left,
I would like to wish all participants BEST OF LUCK !
It's your last chance to come back and make it to finals.
I strongly recommend for all beginners to go through tricks and practice puzzles from the links shared in earlier posts.
Good Luck ! :)

Edited by swaroop2011 2015-03-21 4:54 AM
@ 2015-03-21 6:07 AM (#18040 - in reply to #17883) (#18040) Top

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@ 2015-03-21 10:04 AM (#18041 - in reply to #17883) (#18041) Top

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 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


@ 2015-03-21 2:21 PM (#18044 - in reply to #18038) (#18044) Top

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purvishah posted @ 2015-03-21 2:21 PM

rakesh_rai - 2015-03-21 12:57 AM

purvishah - 2015-03-21 12:01 AM

Can I please get Hints to get started with kropki sudoku?

Try to find a series of two or three black dots in succession within a row/column/box. They can be 124 or 248 (for 2 black dots) and 1248 (for three black dots). Normally you will get a contradiction with some of the possibilities and be able to proceed. Also, 5/7/9 cannot occupy a cell with a black dot. If there is no series of two or three dots, you may have to go ahead with pencilmarking of the cells containing black dots first, and proceed. In general, the starting hints are hidden in or around the cells with black dots. Also, if there is a long series of white dots in succession, they can also help start.

You can also look through the following discussions:

http://rohanrao.blogspot.in/2008/11/rules-of-kropki.html

http://www.sudokuxtra.com/forum/read.php?2,1138


Thanks a lot!!
@ 2015-03-21 3:14 PM (#18045 - in reply to #17883) (#18045) Top

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kousek-nebe posted @ 2015-03-21 3:14 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


@ 2015-03-21 8:19 PM (#18046 - in reply to #17883) (#18046) Top

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margareta456 posted @ 2015-03-21 8:19 PM

 How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? variations represented the theme well
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


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