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DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013
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Subject: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-23 11:22 AM (#13211) (#13211) Top


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Logic Masters India announces DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3

Dates : 26th — 28th October

Instruction Booklet & Submission : Link

Author : Matej Uher (muhorka)

Length : 75 minutes

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Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-23 11:53 PM (#13212 - in reply to #13211) (#13212) Top


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It's very minor, but:
- the example and solution for "Rectangles?" don't match (both are valid puzzles but slightly different ones :-)
- the "Tapa?" puzzle doesn't have a unique solution. One could e.g. add a "?" in row 4 column 2 to make it unique.
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Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-25 10:15 AM (#13218 - in reply to #13211) (#13218) Top


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classics : wow looking forward to it :)
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Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-25 11:10 PM (#13222 - in reply to #13212) (#13222) Top


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PuzzlePoints
Fillomino43
Snake27
Kakuro110
Akari7
LITS29
Battleships62
Masyu20
Slitherlink23
Rectangles ?49
Tapa ?30
Star battle55
Different neighbours95
Tents48
Untouch Yajilin74
Hamle78

Announcements

  • Test length is changed to 75 minutes
  • Updated version of IB uploaded with fixed examples of Tapa & fixed solution of Rectangles
  • Points table added to IB.
  • Total points is 750, bonus points changed to 10 points per minute saved
  • Password protected puzzle booklet has 8 pages (no cover page).


  • motris
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 7:41 AM (#13223 - in reply to #13211) (#13223) Top




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    Cute test. I wish I was better at kakuro.

    When there is a large theme throughout a test, I often wonder if some of the puzzles will be adversely affected. Here I decided: don't worry, just be happy that there were many fun ones to do.
    achan1058
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 8:33 AM (#13224 - in reply to #13211) (#13224) Top




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     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? I have a different complaint


    Maybe it's just my laser printer, but the given lines are dark enough that I have trouble drawing lines on top of the given lines in the slitherlink and fillomino.

    P.S. I got destroyed, especially considering my performance of the classics in the WPC.

    Edited by achan1058 2013-10-26 8:38 AM
    yureklis
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 1:14 PM (#13225 - in reply to #13211) (#13225) Top


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    Lovely test! I had trouble with the Kakuro, nearly 30 minutes, just tried to put digits in the top of the grid, but there was always mistakes, then I figured it out, I had put a wrong digit in the middle of the grid :) Anyway, thanks for the test Matej
    prasanna16391
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 1:28 PM (#13226 - in reply to #13225) (#13226) Top


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    yureklis - 2013-10-26 1:14 PM

    Lovely test! I had trouble with the Kakuro, nearly 30 minutes, just tried to put digits in the top of the grid, but there was always mistakes, then I figured it out, I had put a wrong digit in the middle of the grid :)


    Hah. I had exactly the same experience with the Kakuro. If your mistake was on the middle left then we must be solving twins.
    yureklis
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 2:23 PM (#13228 - in reply to #13226) (#13228) Top


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    prasanna16391 - 2013-10-26 1:28 PM

    yureklis - 2013-10-26 1:14 PM

    Lovely test! I had trouble with the Kakuro, nearly 30 minutes, just tried to put digits in the top of the grid, but there was always mistakes, then I figured it out, I had put a wrong digit in the middle of the grid :)


    Hah. I had exactly the same experience with the Kakuro. If your mistake was on the middle left then we must be solving twins.


    :) ehehe yes, it was. So my puzzle brother, how is your finger?
    prasanna16391
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 3:11 PM (#13229 - in reply to #13228) (#13229) Top


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    yureklis - 2013-10-26 2:23 PM

    prasanna16391 - 2013-10-26 1:28 PM

    yureklis - 2013-10-26 1:14 PM

    Lovely test! I had trouble with the Kakuro, nearly 30 minutes, just tried to put digits in the top of the grid, but there was always mistakes, then I figured it out, I had put a wrong digit in the middle of the grid :)


    Hah. I had exactly the same experience with the Kakuro. If your mistake was on the middle left then we must be solving twins.


    :) ehehe yes, it was. So my puzzle brother, how is your finger?


    Exactly the same as how you saw it during the closing ceremony. Its a good thing its not my right finger, or I'd be unemployed for a month and some future LMI plans would be canceled too. Says something about the risks we puzzlers take.
    achan1058
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 4:21 PM (#13230 - in reply to #13226) (#13230) Top




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    prasanna16391 - 2013-10-26 2:28 AM

    yureklis - 2013-10-26 1:14 PM

    Lovely test! I had trouble with the Kakuro, nearly 30 minutes, just tried to put digits in the top of the grid, but there was always mistakes, then I figured it out, I had put a wrong digit in the middle of the grid :)


    Hah. I had exactly the same experience with the Kakuro. If your mistake was on the middle left then we must be solving twins.

    Same thing happened here too, though I solved it after the test was over.
    chaotic_iak
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 5:32 PM (#13231 - in reply to #13211) (#13231) Top



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     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    ukonet
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 5:59 PM (#13232 - in reply to #13211) (#13232) Top




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     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too few puzzles
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    TiiT
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 6:49 PM (#13233 - in reply to #13211) (#13233) Top




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     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    kishy72
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 7:58 PM (#13234 - in reply to #13211) (#13234) Top




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     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Very skewed
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    An enticing Puzzle test covering all the basic puzzle types ,just good enough to lure persons who are relatively new and who grapple with new puzzle types to take the test.

    But alas to what use is that???The test has been timed so poorly that i felt only a mad adrenaline rush during the course of the test rather than actually enjoying the test.The experience would have been even worse had the test been timed for 60 mins.Thankfully ,a better sense prevailed and because of that extra 15 mins i was able to complete the Kakuro and submit it within time.It would have been an utter waste of effort from my part if the test were for 60mins.

    This test clearly demonstrates to me that its intended purpose is only to test a minority of lightning quick solvers at the cost of taking the fun out of a majority of slow solvers (including me).After all what harm would have come out if the test had been timed for 120 mins, other than perhaps more solvers completing the test and a majority of the slower puzzlers attempting a lot more puzzles.But isn't that the actual purpose of any LMI test ?

    I feel so disappointed now because the excitement that i got after seeing so many familiar puzzle types in the IB has just been killed.Now i dont even feel like seeing the rest of the 13 uncompleted puzzles let alone attempt it.The time factor has skewed my feedback in other categories as well.It has forced me to say i was hoping for better (which is certainly true in my case)regarding the overall opinion of the test.In the end it seems i have to console myself by saying Don't worry ,Be happy in which the latter seems highly unlikely to happen.


    Edited by kishy72 2013-10-26 8:01 PM
    achan1058
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 9:01 PM (#13235 - in reply to #13211) (#13235) Top




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    I can certainly see your point. It would be nice to once in a while to have a test that even someone like me can finish, even if that means the likes of Palmer and Ulrich will finish in 1/2 the allotted time.
    An LMI player
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 9:17 PM (#13236 - in reply to #13211) (#13236) Top


     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    prasanna16391
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 9:46 PM (#13238 - in reply to #13235) (#13238) Top


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    achan1058 - 2013-10-26 9:01 PM

    I can certainly see your point. It would be nice to once in a while to have a test that even someone like me can finish, even if that means the likes of Palmer and Ulrich will finish in 1/2 the allotted time.


    Well, We DO have Beginners' Contests for that. Admittedly, we've had just one Beginners' Puzzle Contest so far which was probably on the tough side, but we are working on a format there and it will be here in the future. Give us time :) Monthly tests are designed to have a world championship-related structure in terms of difficulty and finish-ability. The typical guideline for the monthly tests, barring special ones like sprint tests, etc. is that about 3-4 people should finish the test. Its fine to have an opinion that maybe that structure should be more lenient sometimes, but the problem comes when its pinpointed to this test just because of individual expectations that "classic puzzles = easy puzzles".

    My main problem with Kishore's criticism is that it wasn't said that this test would contain easier puzzles, or that it would be more finish-able than others. This test was only said to be filled with classic puzzles, which it was. So its not like the author claimed something wrong. Its really unfair to criticize saying you expected there to be easier/finishable puzzles, especially when you yourself say that the Kakuro (highest pointer) is one you attempted.
    rvarun
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-26 10:01 PM (#13239 - in reply to #13211) (#13239) Top




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    There were quite many low and medium pointer puzzles in the test. I guess solving these puzzles will give more confidence to everyone. Since kakuro was the highest pointer we can easily assume that it ll take more time. So it must be the participant's choice of solving order. Personally i feel the puzzles were too good and kudos to Matej. Definitely i ll try solving the puzzles offline as classics will be a good platform to start from the scratch. Thanks to Matej again for the Classics set.

    Edited by rvarun 2013-10-26 10:16 PM
    An LMI player
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-27 12:49 AM (#13240 - in reply to #13211) (#13240) Top


     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    An LMI player
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-27 1:37 AM (#13243 - in reply to #13211) (#13243) Top


     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth too much or too little
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    An LMI player
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-27 2:39 AM (#13244 - in reply to #13211) (#13244) Top


     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
     How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    An LMI player
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-27 2:50 AM (#13245 - in reply to #13211) (#13245) Top


     How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
     What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
     What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
     What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
     Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
     What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


    auroux
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-27 4:37 AM (#13246 - in reply to #13226) (#13246) Top


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    Wow, that's crazy! I also spent lots of time on Kakuro due to a wrong digit at the left of the grid...Anyway: fun puzzles!Denis
    murat
    Subject: Re: DWBH — LMI October Puzzle Test #3 — 26th-28th October 2013 @ 2013-10-27 11:54 AM (#13248 - in reply to #13234) (#13248) Top




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    The test has been timed so poorly that i felt only a mad adrenaline rush during the course of the test rather than actually enjoying the test.

    I think kishy72 has a point. Setting the duration of a test such that only the top solvers can finish is a poor decision when instant grading is available. Why is not the test longer so that more people can enjoy all puzzles?

    With the current test length the selection of puzzles is very important for an average solver. I think it should not be that important unless you want to increase the influence of the luck factor in the rankings.
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