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Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July
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Subject: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-19 2:05 PM (#7524) (#7524) Top


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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-19 9:47 PM (#7531 - in reply to #7524) (#7531) Top




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wow...what a theme.....
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-19 10:02 PM (#7532 - in reply to #7531) (#7532) Top


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neerajmehrotra - 2012-06-19 9:47 PM

wow...what a theme.....

@Neeraj
Whats the theme?

Edited by Rohan Rao 2012-06-19 10:03 PM
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 2:09 AM (#7535 - in reply to #7532) (#7535) Top




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Rohan Rao - 2012-06-19 6:02 PM

neerajmehrotra - 2012-06-19 9:47 PM

wow...what a theme.....

@Neeraj
Whats the theme?

From the name, I'd guess something like: once you solve one grid, you need to copy and paste certain digits from that into another grid, and so on. But I'm just guessing- I hate it when they announce a test before the IB is ready, because I always hate the suspense!
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 9:41 AM (#7536 - in reply to #7535) (#7536) Top


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Nilz - 2012-06-20 2:09 AM

I hate it when they announce a test before the IB is ready, because I always hate the suspense!

Then you should hate LMI
(From experience of being an author) LMI announces a test 'after' IB is ready, the suspense is just to tickle some players like you

Edited by Rohan Rao 2012-06-20 9:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 2:21 PM (#7539 - in reply to #7532) (#7539) Top




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Rohan Rao - 2012-06-19 10:02 PM

neerajmehrotra - 2012-06-19 9:47 PM

wow...what a theme.....

@Neeraj
Whats the theme?



NO IDEA!!!

Infact i should have used the word Title instead of Theme.....very interesting title....
eagerly waiting for the IB....
Richard
Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 2:22 PM (#7540 - in reply to #7536) (#7540) Top


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Rohan Rao - 2012-06-20 9:41 AM
LMI announces a test 'after' IB is ready


I can confirm that the IB is indeed ready (actually it is for quite a while...) Nice to read that the 'suspense' works!

Just a couple of days patience guys!
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Subject: RE: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 4:29 PM (#7542 - in reply to #7524) (#7542) Top



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I remember that last time I saw Richard, he told me about a next test he was preparing for LMI. But it was after 5 hours of sudoku playing and trying to speak in German and English all day...

So I don't remember what he said actually

I hope there will not be too many irregular sudokus

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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 6:23 PM (#7545 - in reply to #7524) (#7545) Top


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I welcome Irregulars now, bring it on :P But I'm sure thats got nothing to do with the theme/title.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 8:06 PM (#7546 - in reply to #7545) (#7546) Top


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Perhaps we need to paste the same answer key to all the puzzles
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-20 8:55 PM (#7547 - in reply to #7546) (#7547) Top


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harmeet - 2012-06-20 8:06 PM

Perhaps we need to paste the same answer key to all the puzzles

Wouldn't that be so cool?
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-23 3:05 PM (#7555 - in reply to #7524) (#7555) Top


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Logic Masters India announces July 2012 Sudoku Test — Copy Paste

Dates : 7th June - 9th July

IB and Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/M201207S/

Author : Richard Stolk

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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-23 3:36 PM (#7556 - in reply to #7555) (#7556) Top


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Just like for my previous test ‘Shapes and Sizes’, I have gathered a few links to more practise material. The following puzzles appeared either in the puzzle portal of Logic Masters Germany or in a German Sudoku Championship.
If you have any question about one of these puzzles or regarding ‘Copy Paste’, please do not hesitate to ask; I’ll be happy to answer.

A) IB German sudoku championship 2011
Relevant puzzles:
6 Pünktchen (Consecutive)
7 Maxi (Maximin)
8 Position
9 Pfeile (Arrow)

B) Online finals German sudoku championship 2011
Relevant puzzles:
7 Pfeile (Arrow)
10 Position
12 Maxi (Maximin)
16 Pünktchen (Consecutive)

C) IB German sudoku championship 2012
Relevant puzzles:
7 Maxi (Maximin)
8 Pfeile (Arrow)
11 Renban
14 Scattered
16 Chaos Diagonal
17 Position
19 Pünktchen (Consecutive)

D) Qualification German sudoku championship 2012
Relevant puzzles:
1 Pünktchen (Consecutive)
5 Position
7 Pfeile (Arrow)
8 Maxi (Maximin)
10 Renban
16 Scattered

E) Puzzles from the puzzle-portal of Logic Masters Germany:
1 Consecutive easy easy
2 Maximin medium hard
3 Arrow easy
4 Scattered easy
5 Chaos Diagonal hard
6 Minimax medium
7 Equal medium medium
8 Ascending easy
9 Ascending Nonconsecutive medium
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 11:13 AM (#7562 - in reply to #7556) (#7562) Top


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After completing the Copy-Paste test, I had a few unused puzzles. I have posted them in the puzzle portal of Logic Masters Germany yesterday. Here are the links to the leftovers:

Arrow
Sum 100
Ascending
Consecutive
Minimax
Maximin

With exception of the Arrow sudoku, all of the puzzles above are a bit harder then the ones of the same type in the real test.

Please look at my comment at the Arrow sudoku in the puzzle portal, explaining why I use a different lay out then the international standard. I hope my puzzle doesn't lead to too much confusion.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 2:34 PM (#7563 - in reply to #7562) (#7563) Top



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Does the ascending nonconsecutive grid in the IB have a unique solution?
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:03 PM (#7565 - in reply to #7563) (#7565) Top



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rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 2:34 PM

Does the ascending nonconsecutive grid in the IB have a unique solution?
Yes, and that is same the solution given at the end.




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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:17 PM (#7567 - in reply to #7524) (#7567) Top



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The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably).
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:23 PM (#7568 - in reply to #7567) (#7568) Top


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rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM

The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably).


In that case the 1 comes direct under the 2 in row 9, which is not allowed.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:23 PM (#7569 - in reply to #7567) (#7569) Top



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rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM

The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably).
I'm not sure, but 4 can't be at R2C7, and neither at R9C7 because of the non-consecutive constraint.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:36 PM (#7571 - in reply to #7569) (#7571) Top


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rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM

The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably).
I'm not sure, but 4 can't be at R2C7, and neither at R9C7 because of the non-consecutive constraint.


Exactly. The 4 is given in R9, so swapping digits is limited.

The puzzle has definitely a unique solution.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:38 PM (#7572 - in reply to #7524) (#7572) Top



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OK. Somehow, I initially thought (wrongly) that the non consecutive constraint only applies on the gray bold lines.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 3:43 PM (#7573 - in reply to #7572) (#7573) Top


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rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:38 PM

OK. Somehow, I initially thought (wrongly) that the non consecutive constraint only applies on the gray bold lines.


No problem.

It's good that IB's appear and that forum threads are opened before a test is hold.
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Subject: RE: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 9:35 PM (#7575 - in reply to #7524) (#7575) Top



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Copy Paste from here

It is easy to figure out that both SudoClones and Copy Paste have similar themes. It is interesting that Richard and Sylvain came up with similar ideas with few weeks apart (much before Clone round in BIST). Thats when we decided to schedule these 2 tests one week apart and to publish the IBs at the same time.

Luckily, the variations in these 2 tests are very different and I'm sure players will enjoy these tests like every other LMI tests.
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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 10:59 PM (#7577 - in reply to #7562) (#7577) Top




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Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it



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Subject: Re: Copy Paste — LMI July Sudoku Test — 7th - 9th July @ 2012-06-24 11:52 PM (#7578 - in reply to #7577) (#7578) Top


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utkaarsh - 2012-06-24 10:59 PM

Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it


At a glance you can get the entire middle column using the fact that the upper part cannot be 4-3-2 and has to be 4-5-6. If you hadn't done that already, maybe that helps.

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