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Subject: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-11-27 3:52 PM (#6067) (#6067) Top


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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-29 9:05 AM (#6078 - in reply to #6067) (#6078) Top


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Logic Masters India announces Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest

Dates : 3rd / 4th / 5th December

Length : 120 minutes + 10 Extra minutes

IB and Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/forsmarts2011/

abhistya
Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-29 2:08 PM (#6083 - in reply to #6067) (#6083) Top




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Can this contest also be extended till monday as was snake. It help me to take the test on Monday
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Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-29 2:41 PM (#6084 - in reply to #6083) (#6084) Top



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abhistya - 2011-11-29 2:08 PM

Can this contest also be extended till monday as was snake. It help me to take the test on Monday

It is not decided yet. We'll discuss with Vladimir and announce.


For those who don't know, Forsmarts annual competitions are probably the oldest-alive puzzle competitions which is not a national championship. Vladimir had introduced lot of new variants in past contests. Interestingly this time, the contest has mostly classic puzzles with a theme that gels really well with the 9th anniversary.

Link to older contests : http://forsmarts.com/eng/



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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-29 4:20 PM (#6087 - in reply to #6067) (#6087) Top




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In the IB,
1.)For skyscrappers , i see no hints or clues for 3X3 puzzle,
2.)In Tents , there are no clues ,

Please clarify if i have overlooked some basic clues



Edited by utkaarsh 2011-11-29 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-29 4:51 PM (#6088 - in reply to #6087) (#6088) Top



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You've not missed much, but you need to read the first page.
Clues in the grey cells are common for both adjacent grids. Finding their complete content is a part of solution.

So, in Tents and in Skyscrapers and in all other puzzles, you have to determine the clues in grey cells satisfying adjacent grids.
swaroop2011
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-29 11:05 PM (#6092 - in reply to #6067) (#6092) Top


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can somebody help me out with FIRST SEEN JAPANESE SUMS not getting the start?
and also with DOTTED SNAKE?

Edited by swaroop2011 2011-11-29 11:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-30 8:11 AM (#6095 - in reply to #6067) (#6095) Top




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Hi Swaroop,
A quick start for how I approached FIRST SEEN JAPANESE SUMS. I notice this is rated as hardest of the 9 puzzles.

Look at bottom-right puzzle.
The 15-row gives 4 dots (=unknown digits) in the middle.
The top 12-row gives 3 dots.
The double-10-column can only have one segment, it's of length 3 or 4, so an X goes at the bottom.
The 11-row must have 2 Xs at the right, and one segment of length 3 or 4 on the left. Either way it must include a 5 and a 2, which only have one possible location each. Is the rest of the row a 4 or a 1&3?

Write 11 in the bottom-most grey cell and look at the bottom-left puzzle.
The 15-row and 10-row have 4 and 3 dots respectively.
So the 12-column has an X at the bottom.
The 4-11-row needs 5 dots in the other 5 cells...

Continue to finish the bottom-left puzzle, then top-left...
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest 3rd/4th December @ 2011-11-30 12:17 PM (#6097 - in reply to #6095) (#6097) Top


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kiwijam - 2011-11-30 8:11 AM

Hi Swaroop,
A quick start for how I approached FIRST SEEN JAPANESE SUMS. I notice this is rated as hardest of the 9 puzzles.

Look at bottom-right puzzle.
The 15-row gives 4 dots (=unknown digits) in the middle.
The top 12-row gives 3 dots.
The double-10-column can only have one segment, it's of length 3 or 4, so an X goes at the bottom.
The 11-row must have 2 Xs at the right, and one segment of length 3 or 4 on the left. Either way it must include a 5 and a 2, which only have one possible location each. Is the rest of the row a 4 or a 1&3?

Write 11 in the bottom-most grey cell and look at the bottom-left puzzle.
The 15-row and 10-row have 4 and 3 dots respectively.
So the 12-column has an X at the bottom.
The 4-11-row needs 5 dots in the other 5 cells...

Continue to finish the bottom-left puzzle, then top-left...


hey thank you,
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-11-30 9:36 PM (#6100 - in reply to #6067) (#6100) Top


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Timing of this contest

Just like Snake Variation contest, this contest will be open from Friday evening GMT and it ends at Monday night GMT.

Exact timing (in local time zone) can be found at the submission page

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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-01 3:38 AM (#6101 - in reply to #6067) (#6101) Top




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Thanks. Then I can actually compete. This weekend it is Sinterklaas here. I will most likely be busy most of the weekend.
kiwijam
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 6:14 AM (#6105 - in reply to #6067) (#6105) Top




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Hi Swaroop,
Starting point for the Dotted Snake...
The top-right puzzle is solvable by itself.
From the 1-cell, the snake cannot go right-up-up-left-up, because you'll struggle to get 3 dots in the 6th row.
And it cannot go right-up-up-left-left, because then it can't get to the right-most column and back to the 16-cell in time.
So it must go up-up from the 1-cell. This causes the dots in the right-most column to be in the 1st and 4th rows. And hopefully you can work through the rest of the snake.
This gives enough clues to solve the top-left puzzle, then the bottom-left, then the bottom-right.

A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger!
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 7:23 AM (#6106 - in reply to #6105) (#6106) Top


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About flash submission layout

We have a slightly different layout this time, which is designed based on the puzzle structure. See image below. Note that the tabs move from Top Left -> Top Right -> Bottom Left -> Bottom Right.

If you have any questions, please post here.






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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 7:33 AM (#6107 - in reply to #6105) (#6107) Top



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kiwijam - 2011-12-02 6:14 AM

A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger!

I'm sure many players know this. LMI submission system lets you know the size of puzzles if the answer keys are fixed. You can find it out even before you start the test. Since all answer keys are fixed this time, I can share the grid sizes.

Coral, Even-Odd, Japanese Sums, Outside Sum Sudoku (4X 7X7)
Battleships, Tents (4X 8X8)
Dotted Snake (4X 10X10)
Easy as ABC (5X5,5X5,6X6,6X6)
Skyscraper (4X4,5X5,6X6,7X7)
bartunio
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 1:52 PM (#6108 - in reply to #6067) (#6108) Top




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Hi,

Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 2:16 PM (#6109 - in reply to #6108) (#6109) Top


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bartunio - 2011-12-02 1:52 PM

Hi,

Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek

No, this test will not be included in ratings. It is mentioned in the 'About Annual Competitions' thread.

In general Annual Competitions won't be included in monthly ratings. If any annual competition is included in ratings, it will be announced in forum.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 7:43 PM (#6110 - in reply to #6067) (#6110) Top


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Password protected puzzle booklet is uploaded. It has 9 pages, there is no cover page, there is no points table.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 9:01 PM (#6111 - in reply to #6109) (#6111) Top




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bartunio - 2011-12-02 1:52 PM

Hi,

Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek

No, this test will not be included in ratings. It is mentioned in the 'About Annual Competitions' thread.

In general Annual Competitions won't be included in monthly ratings. If any annual competition is included in ratings, it will be announced in forum.


Thanks! Sorry for silly question - have been overworked recently:-)

B

Edited by bartunio 2011-12-02 9:01 PM
tomasz
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 11:30 PM (#6112 - in reply to #6111) (#6112) Top




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Hi,
Where do I find the password? It's not displayed as in the picture above.

Ok, I got it. Sorry, I'm relatively new here :)

Edited by tomasz 2011-12-02 11:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 9:34 AM (#6113 - in reply to #6112) (#6113) Top


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Link to score page, as usual, http://logicmastersindia.com/forsmarts2011/score.asp
tjt_1005
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 11:32 AM (#6114 - in reply to #6067) (#6114) Top




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May I ask what is this 'Claim Points' button in the Results page? Thanks!
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 11:50 AM (#6115 - in reply to #6114) (#6115) Top


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tjt_1005 - 2011-12-03 11:32 AM

May I ask what is this 'Claim Points' button in the Results page? Thanks!


We've explained it here in the Puzzle F.A.Q. - http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=382&s...
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 2:22 PM (#6117 - in reply to #6067) (#6117) Top


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Enjoyed the puzzles and the theme which was quite new to me.

Did a bad little blunder in the Outside sums sudoku that ended up ruining the whole bunch of 4 :P

Admins - I'm not sure if I entered the right answer correctly in the claim points box. If at all it matters, I'll gladly give it again.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 8:30 PM (#6124 - in reply to #6105) (#6124) Top


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kiwijam - 2011-12-02 6:14 AM

Hi Swaroop,
Starting point for the Dotted Snake...
The top-right puzzle is solvable by itself.
From the 1-cell, the snake cannot go right-up-up-left-up, because you'll struggle to get 3 dots in the 6th row.
And it cannot go right-up-up-left-left, because then it can't get to the right-most column and back to the 16-cell in time.
So it must go up-up from the 1-cell. This causes the dots in the right-most column to be in the 1st and 4th rows. And hopefully you can work through the rest of the snake.
This gives enough clues to solve the top-left puzzle, then the bottom-left, then the bottom-right.

A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger!


hey thanks
hope so the contest puzzle is easy one.
Maksim
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 9:23 PM (#6125 - in reply to #6067) (#6125) Top




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Another excellent contest. Thank you, Vladimir. In spite of the mistakes, I made, I enjoy the puzzles very much. I envy those who have not yet solved these puzzles. Good luck for everybody.
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