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Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-24 10:33 PM (#26793 - in reply to #26791) (#26793) Top




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Generally instructions looked scary. Quite many puzzles, first. Also for me many unconvenient puzzle types.
anurag
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-24 11:45 PM (#26794 - in reply to #26757) (#26794) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Curve Data
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


kiwijam
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-25 2:50 PM (#26795 - in reply to #26757) (#26795) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Letter Scrabble
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Great contest, thank you.
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-25 3:29 PM (#26796 - in reply to #26757) (#26796) Top



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pranavamanu - My favourites were the Almost chess 5 pointer ...
There was no 5 pointer in Almost Chess :)
vopani
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-25 3:31 PM (#26797 - in reply to #26757) (#26797) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Double Letter Scrabble
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice set of puzzles, but on the harder side for PR.
Favourites puzzles: Scrabble, Almost Chess 2, Meandering Words 2

I spent nearly 15+ minutes on Letter Weights, and ultimately still couldn't solve it in time :-(

Thanks Rakesh!
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-25 3:59 PM (#26798 - in reply to #26797) (#26798) Top



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vopani - I spent nearly 15+ minutes on Letter Weights, and ultimately still couldn't solve it in time :(
The trick was NIKOLA = 25. That means PRWZ =20. And with help of PARA and WA you can get this real quick, in about 3-4 minutes.
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 8:16 AM (#26799 - in reply to #26757) (#26799) Top


 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Double Letter Scrabble
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


kishy72
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 8:39 AM (#26800 - in reply to #26799) (#26800) Top




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Is it possible to extend the test deadline by a day ?
3strikerz
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 8:44 AM (#26801 - in reply to #26757) (#26801) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Letter Scrabble
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Loved how the placement of the 3-letter-word was a trick in the last puzzle in Letter scrabble. At first I placed it in the wrong slot(which was perfectly fine by scrabble rules) which blocked a final word from being placed in the grid. Curve datas apparently are my weak point, but very interesting puzzles overall.
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 9:37 AM (#26802 - in reply to #26757) (#26802) Top


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Extension


The Contest is extended by 24 hours and can be taken till Wednesday (27th March) 2359 hrs IST.

Para
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 11:29 AM (#26803 - in reply to #26757) (#26803) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Letter Weights
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


harmeet
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 11:40 AM (#26804 - in reply to #26757) (#26804) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Meandering Words
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Awesome set. I started badly by getting stuck in letter weights and had to let it go after spending lot of time. Somehow gathered momentum towards the end. Enjoyed word puzzles thoroughly.
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 11:58 AM (#26805 - in reply to #26757) (#26805) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Meandering Words
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


chaotic_iak
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-26 2:14 PM (#26806 - in reply to #26757) (#26806) Top



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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Curve Data
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice test. Sure, "casual is not guessing", but I intuited through several of these puzzles... only to realize that they do have nice logical solutions. (Most of them. I still have no idea about Almost Chess.)
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-27 5:46 PM (#26808 - in reply to #26757) (#26808) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Curve Data
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


tamz29
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 12:46 AM (#26809 - in reply to #26757) (#26809) Top




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It would be interesting to see how I'd place if the test only consisted of the Word half ;)
I love Scrabble, and after making lots of it, you definitely get a feel for them.
Curve Data is one of my kryptonites and after failing to tweak out a correct answer, I tried logically solving it and it worked!
Happy with a top-10 finish though.

Thanks Rakesh.
sstackho
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 2:36 AM (#26810 - in reply to #26757) (#26810) Top




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I wasn't able to solve #17 during the test time, but I tried it later. I get an answer key different than what is shown on the Summary page, but I can't find a flaw in my solution. Are there multiple solutions? FWIW, my key would be WUTHEA,OHISIN,RUPAHA. And I note that no-one else submitted this key, so I'm guessing I'm missing something somewhere.

EDIT: UGH! I found my problem. I missed this, which would have made it MUCH easier: "The first letter of each word is already given."

Edited by sstackho 2019-03-28 2:40 AM
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 4:24 AM (#26811 - in reply to #26757) (#26811) Top




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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Curve Data
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 9:19 AM (#26812 - in reply to #26757) (#26812) Top


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Congratulations to Endo Ken, Bram de Laat and Nikola Zivanovic for taking the top three places.

Amongst Indian participants, Congratulations to Rohan Rao, Prasanna Seshadri and Amit Sowani for taking the top 3 places.

Of the 156 participants, 29 were from India and 21 from USA. Kazuya Yamamoto (Japan) was the first to start the test while Tawan Sunathvanichkul (Thailand) was the last person to start the test. 13 participants completed the set within the allotted time. The median score of the test was 52.3.

Thanks Rakesh Rai for the puzzles!

Thanks to the participants who have shared feedback so far. Participants may share feedback on the results page and rate the puzzles on the contest page.
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 9:34 AM (#26813 - in reply to #26757) (#26813) Top


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 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Scrabble
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Well it did not go as I expected. Another hard round for me, could have definitely done better. I was stuck on lower pointers than high. On bright side, I did better than last year in terms of score.
Favourites were Scrabble and Curve Data.
I still have to solve Almost Chess.
Some reason I felt some lower pointers deserved more points, but could be just my personal experience.
Puzzles were tricky rather than tough but I would say it as hard for a PR round.
Nonetheless high quality puzzles. I enjoyed every bit.
Thanks Rakesh.
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 2:39 PM (#26815 - in reply to #26809) (#26815) Top



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tamz29 - 2019-03-28 12:46 AM

It would be interesting to see how I'd place if the test only consisted of the Word half ;)
The answer is pretty clear. Based on the timestamps (and assuming time was continuously spent on a single puzzle), we have the following winners of the "Word half". These are only estimates, though, and does not consider participants who submitted all answers in one go.

1. tamz29 27:22
2. sugitakukun 34:06
3. anderson 34:40

"Casual half"

1. EKBM 20:04
2. deu 26:41
3. panista 28:23

So, the test could have been done in 47:26, if we combine the best of both.
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 3:40 PM (#26816 - in reply to #26801) (#26816) Top



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3strikerz - 2019-03-26 8:44 AM

Loved how the placement of the 3-letter-word was a trick in the last puzzle in Letter scrabble. At first I placed it in the wrong slot(which was perfectly fine by scrabble rules) which blocked a final word from being placed in the grid.
If you check out the PR (casual and word) from 2018, there was a similar step in Scrabble puzzle. It was definitely put intentionally.
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-03-28 10:51 PM (#26817 - in reply to #26816) (#26817) Top



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Thanks for all the feedback - positive as well as negative. I hope I have responded to most of them. Thanks to all 156 participants and Congratulations to the 13 finishers and others who were very close to finishing the set. Good performances from the usual suspects from India, but the scores could have been better. Nice to see some good performances by pranavmanu, avni and Jash in this test!

The objective in this test was to have (a) variety of puzzles (b) avoid picture/visual/counting puzzles as they may not be appropriate for an online test, (c) smaller grids in general. Most of the variants were same as last year. Word Stairs (which has appeared in a 2012 test by Nikola) was the new variant in Word section. But there was a change in the rule with respect to overlapping of letters. In Casual, Almost chess was a risky new addition, as the solving approach was generally tedious. Other changes were compass and pyramid climbers which were gentle puzzles.

Casual: Almost Chess had 4x4 and 5x5 sizes and with an intended start provided for each puzzle (0 and 4 in the 1st, 0 in 2nd and 5 in the 3rd). Curve data grid size was also small and the starts were generally in the corner cells. The third one was slightly larger but easily solvable. Many participants would have worked these out intuitively too as solving tweaks can be done in such puzzles later. Shortest distances was easier than last year with only 10 nodes and probably one extra clue. Letter weights had most of the the top scorer names from last year's PR test. The approach has been discussed already earlier in this thread. Compass needed an approach which could identify corner cells with different regions.

Word: The scrabble was effectively a 3 row puzzle. Letter scrabble -1 was about fitting all the small words in a limited space and Letter Scrabble - 2 was a little exercise with some starts given due to the placement of multiple As and Us, and containing names of some of the top sportswomen from India as clues. The last step was about fitting SMRITI which did not have an A or U. Meandering words were small grids with some simple tricks. Some participants missed the instructions and solved without knowing that the first letters were given. Word stairs turned out to be trickier than expected, and fairly error-prone too. The smaller one had 24 letters to be filled out of 25 grid cells and counting could also be used as one of the inputs while solving. The bigger one had some world dance forms as clues and the starts for JIVE, SWING, TAP and WALTZ were given partially. It was mostly about carefully avoiding repetition of letter A and solving.

The next PR test will be by Ashish and will surely be a good quality test.
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Subject: Re: Casual and Word - 22nd - 26th Mar 2019 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier @ 2019-04-01 11:37 AM (#26825 - in reply to #26757) (#26825) Top


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Solution Booklet (including detailed steps for Almost Chess puzzles): http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/dl.asp?attachmentid=774
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