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@ 2018-03-10 12:29 PM (#24482) (#24482) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-10 12:29 PM




Link for rules and other details about Puzzle Ramayan: http://logicmastersindia.com/PR/2018pr.asp
Instructions for MII and Regions: http://logicmastersindia.com/PR/201803/


@ 2018-03-12 7:16 PM (#24494 - in reply to #24482) (#24494) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-12 7:16 PM


Logic Masters India announces Made in India (MII) and Regions - third episode of Puzzle Ramayan 2018

Dates : 16th - 19th March

Instruction Booklet & Submission : Link

Author : Prasanna Seshadri

@ 2018-03-13 9:07 AM (#24500 - in reply to #24482) (#24500) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2018-03-13 9:07 AM

The Rassi Silai example puzzle in the IB has the solution's internal walls, they should be removed.
@ 2018-03-13 5:11 PM (#24503 - in reply to #24500) (#24503) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-13 5:11 PM

kiwijam - 2018-03-13 9:07 AM

The Rassi Silai example puzzle in the IB has the solution's internal walls, they should be removed.


Yes. Some internal walls can be given but here all internal walls are displayed. This will be corrected in the next version of IB.
@ 2018-03-15 2:47 PM (#24509 - in reply to #24503) (#24509) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-15 2:47 PM

Points Table

@ 2018-03-15 5:12 PM (#24511 - in reply to #24482) (#24511) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-15 5:12 PM

Updated IB


The updated IB - with points, and minor update in rassi silai example - is available now: http://logicmastersindia.com/PR/201803/

@ 2018-03-16 12:07 AM (#24512 - in reply to #24511) (#24512) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-16 12:07 AM

Delay in Start


The test start is delayed by 12 hours, and will now start at 12 PM IST on 16th March.

@ 2018-03-16 9:59 AM (#24523 - in reply to #24512) (#24523) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-16 9:59 AM

Previous winners of similar PR contests:

@ 2018-03-16 11:58 AM (#24525 - in reply to #24482) (#24525) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-16 11:58 AM

Puzzle Booklet


The Puzzle Booklet is now available on the contest page. It has 9 pages.

@ 2018-03-16 12:01 PM (#24526 - in reply to #24525) (#24526) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-16 12:01 PM

The test has started.
@ 2018-03-16 12:31 PM (#24527 - in reply to #24482) (#24527) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-16 12:31 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-16 8:24 PM (#24528 - in reply to #24482) (#24528) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2018-03-16 8:24 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Thanks Prasanna, this one is a lovely test.

Sometimes I act so stupid, like I've acted here. I spent 10-12 minutes for the 2nd Rassi Silai puzzle because of the grey region. I thought that all nine regions should have own path, and of course I tried to make it happened. However, I couldn't accompish the my weird goal :D In 2012, in Croatia, there was a part and that part contains Battleship and Snake puzzles. I'm reall good at Snake puzzles, so I gave a shot, but after several minutes I couldn't solve, and I was sure that there was not any solution of that puzzle. It was obvious, it's impossible to place a snake into the grid. Then, I saw my stupidty, this was not a Snake puzzle, this one's a Battleship puzzle which were given only two one-unit ships of the fleet. I assumed those were the Snake's end points :D So, I did similar things in here, and lost so much times, because the grey region had to be empty :D

Thanks Prasanna, again!
@ 2018-03-16 8:42 PM (#24529 - in reply to #24482) (#24529) Top

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JonaS2010 posted @ 2018-03-16 8:42 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Thanks for a beautiful set of puzzles! Hard to pick a favourite among them, but Araf squared was fantastic (and I normally dislike araf - or so I thought - so that's saying something...).

My only complaint is that some answer keys were a bit too long, four rows/columns for Fillomino seems too much to me. Also, the answer key for Slash Pack was super weird. (I guess it may have actually taken me longer to enter the answer code than to solve the puzzle...) Is there any reason for the choiche of f and b? I had to check the instructions every time because I couldn't remember which was which.
@ 2018-03-16 9:31 PM (#24530 - in reply to #24482) (#24530) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-16 9:31 PM

f = forward slash, b = back slash
@ 2018-03-16 10:03 PM (#24531 - in reply to #24482) (#24531) Top

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detuned posted @ 2018-03-16 10:03 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf Squared
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys were horrible
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Again, the feedback form leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think too many hard puzzles is a bad thing, and I don't know if you are measuring distribution by #of puzzles or #of points - but I think in either case hard puzzles accounts for much more than this supposed 10% target.

I also find it hard to believe that anyone gave an honest second opinion about those answer keys! Some were certainly not proportional to the points available for a particular puzzle.

Other than that, quite a nice test. Thanks!
@ 2018-03-16 10:24 PM (#24532 - in reply to #24530) (#24532) Top

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detuned posted @ 2018-03-16 10:24 PM

Administrator - 2018-03-16 4:31 PM

f = forward slash, b = back slash


Might this be pushing the boundaries of "culture neutral" a little too far? Was any consideration given to using / and \ instead?
@ 2018-03-17 1:18 AM (#24534 - in reply to #24482) (#24534) Top

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kousek-nebe posted @ 2018-03-17 1:18 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 6:32 AM (#24535 - in reply to #24482) (#24535) Top

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WA1729 posted @ 2018-03-17 6:32 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Place By Product
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice test!

Favorite Puzzles:

6 Place by Product
11 Balance Loop Instructionless
20 Slash Pack
21 Araf Squared

Thank you!
@ 2018-03-17 11:00 AM (#24536 - in reply to #24482) (#24536) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-17 11:00 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Rassi Silai
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 3:30 PM (#24537 - in reply to #24482) (#24537) Top

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forcolin posted @ 2018-03-17 3:30 PM

was there any problems in the format of the slash pack? I kept receiving error messages
@ 2018-03-17 7:35 PM (#24538 - in reply to #24482) (#24538) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2018-03-17 7:35 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Balance Loop Instructionless
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 9:12 PM (#24539 - in reply to #24482) (#24539) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-03-17 9:12 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Araf
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-03-17 11:40 PM (#24540 - in reply to #24482) (#24540) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-17 11:40 PM

forcolin - 2018-03-17 3:30 PM

was there any problems in the format of the slash pack? I kept receiving error messages

You entered '-' instead of numbers. However, we will review your (and everyone else's) submissions for slash pack, as that is an error in entering a "given"
@ 2018-03-18 2:56 AM (#24542 - in reply to #24482) (#24542) Top

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bob posted @ 2018-03-18 2:56 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Rassi Silai
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys were horrible
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I normally really enjoy the PR sets but found this one VERY frustrating. Point distribution seemed off. Especially with unfamiliar puzzle types, I use point values to identify easier puzzles to start with. Here, it seemed the opposite. I thought the 2-point rassi silai was the hardest one. The 1-point place by product took a lot of trial and error for me. Could be my own experience though.
The answer keys for slash pack were extremely frustrating. I painstakingly wrote b's and f's on my diagonal walls and carefully typed them. All were wrong. Tried capital and small letters, turned my paper, quadruple checked solutions and rules. I still don't understand what I am doing wrong and wasted a lot of time. Ugh.
Aside from these issues I liked seeing new types. I really liked the rassi silai and (ragular) araf.
@ 2018-03-18 12:51 PM (#24543 - in reply to #24482) (#24543) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-03-18 12:51 PM

Was any consideration given to using / and \ instead?


Yes. But that causes a glitch in the scores. We can mention next time such a case arises that we will accept the answer if b and f are switched too as long as they are consistent.
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