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forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December
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Subject: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-11-23 6:41 AM (#20070) (#20070) Top


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http://logicmastersindia.com/2015/forsmarts/

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Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-11-28 8:44 PM (#20152 - in reply to #20070) (#20152) Top


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The Instruction Booklet is published. The points table will be updated over the coming week.

Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/2015/forsmarts/
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Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-01 6:54 PM (#20179 - in reply to #20152) (#20179) Top


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Instant Grading

As with most tests on LMI, this test will also have Instant Grading enabled.

kiwijam
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-02 8:03 AM (#20182 - in reply to #20070) (#20182) Top




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I think puzzle C1 (Pentomino) needs extra rules, such as "Pentominoes cannot touch, not even diagonally", and can pentominoes can be rotated and/or reflected?

Also, has anyone solved the example for D3 Snake + Battleships or C1 Pentomino and can give a hint?
forsmarts
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-02 2:13 PM (#20184 - in reply to #20182) (#20184) Top


forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest Author

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kiwijam - 2015-12-02 8:03 AM
I think puzzle C1 (Pentomino) needs extra rules, such as "Pentominoes cannot touch, not even diagonally", and can pentominoes can be rotated and/or reflected?

Yes, you're right, the part of rules about not touching and rotation/reflection is missing, my bad. It should be the same as in C3: "Pentomino can be rotated and reflected, but cannot touch each other even in a point."

kiwijam - 2015-12-02 8:03 AM
Also, has anyone solved the example for D3 Snake + Battleships or C1 Pentomino and can give a hint?

The example is taken from my past puzzlebook, and is not supposed to be solvable quickly enough :) I'll adjust the difficulty of this example to be comparable with the competition puzzle in the next version of the instruction booklet that will also contain the points distribution.
As for the C1 example puzzle, I'd start with an analysis of top 4 rows.

Also please note that the puzzle booklet will not contain the rules (it will already contain too much pages), so I'd advise to have the instruction booklet nearby, in case you have any doubts about the rules.
forcolin
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-02 3:15 PM (#20185 - in reply to #20070) (#20185) Top





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Judging from B4, I imagine that even in B5 the loop CAN touch itself. please confirm
forsmarts
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-03 1:18 AM (#20186 - in reply to #20185) (#20186) Top


forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest Author

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forcolin - 2015-12-02 3:15 PM
Judging from B4, I imagine that even in B5 the loop CAN touch itself. please confirm

Absolutely correct. The snake-like loop in the example is just a coincidence.
debmohanty
Subject: RE: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-04 9:25 AM (#20188 - in reply to #20070) (#20188) Top



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Points Table

Please note
1) updated Instructions booklet with points table uploaded.
2) The first, second, third, and fourth incorrect submission reduces the potential score to 90%, 70%, 40%, and 0% respectively.
3) The puzzle booklet will have 13 pages, it will NOT contain the rules.
4) Be careful with the answer keys - they vary from puzzle to puzzle
5) The test will not be considered in ratings.

Administrator
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-04 10:09 PM (#20189 - in reply to #20188) (#20189) Top


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Start time

Please note the contest's start time has been changed and it is now scheduled to start at the usual time of recent contests, in roughly 80 minutes from now.

forsmarts
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-04 10:49 PM (#20190 - in reply to #20188) (#20190) Top


forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest Author

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The contest is mostly aimed at the experienced audience, as the majority of puzzles are really tough, but there's also something for the beginners.
Good luck to everyone who's going to compete! :)

Edited by forsmarts 2015-12-04 10:54 PM
Plucky
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-04 11:08 PM (#20191 - in reply to #20070) (#20191) Top




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My first ever competition :) exciting, hopefully I'll be able to do a couple of them! Thanks for running such a cool event!
Plucky
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-05 2:34 AM (#20193 - in reply to #20070) (#20193) Top




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Location: United Kingdom
 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Pentomino + Masyu + Latin Square
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


I had a lot of fun but it was a bit too difficult. Even the questions for under 20 points took me a lot of effort to manage, and the final question I tried I couldn't do in ~90 minutes. Great variety though, I've been introduced to a lot of new puzzles which is always really nice.
tiphan
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-05 10:01 AM (#20196 - in reply to #20070) (#20196) Top




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Location: france
 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


ghirsch
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-06 2:57 AM (#20199 - in reply to #20070) (#20199) Top




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 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Domino + Coral + Japanese Sums
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


This test was very difficult but a lot of fun. I really liked the idea of having sets of puzzles and combinations of them.
dahunor
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-06 3:56 AM (#20200 - in reply to #20070) (#20200) Top




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Location: Romania
 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


TiiT
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-06 7:22 PM (#20201 - in reply to #20070) (#20201) Top




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 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


An LMI player
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-06 8:01 PM (#20202 - in reply to #20070) (#20202) Top


 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Pentomino + Masyu + Latin Square
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


Many puzzles were too hard for an online contest. Also, the contest duration was a bit too long.

Puzzles were very nice and enjoyable (wihout the time limit). Good variety too.
Swagatam
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-06 10:52 PM (#20203 - in reply to #20070) (#20203) Top




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 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)


Zormac
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-06 11:13 PM (#20204 - in reply to #20070) (#20204) Top




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Location: Hungary
 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Kakuro + Kropki + Loopfinder
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


marred
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-07 12:10 AM (#20205 - in reply to #20070) (#20205) Top




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Location: Poland
 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys were horrible
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


yureklis
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-07 5:49 AM (#20206 - in reply to #20070) (#20206) Top


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This one was lovely! Thanks Vladimir. Really mixture :) There were so many rules, and honestly I forgot some, such as Kakuro+Loop+Kropki. I spent nearly 25-30 minutes, because I forgot the Kropki rules :); Domino+Corral+JS, I forgot the Domino rules, and when I attempted to the enter the solution, it showed up broken. I checked the puzzle several times, it seemed everything was set. Then I said myself "Ooo man you are stupid, where is the domino set?" After that got it.

I'm sure that the whole set required huge work, so THANK YOU so much Vladimir for a such a challenging set of the puzzles! Really great!
Kota
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-07 2:02 PM (#20207 - in reply to #20070) (#20207) Top




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 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


An LMI player
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-08 8:51 AM (#20209 - in reply to #20070) (#20209) Top


 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys were horrible
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Kakuro + Kropki + Loopfinder
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


kishy72
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-08 3:08 PM (#20212 - in reply to #20070) (#20212) Top




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 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


A really hard and nice test!Thanks for the great puzzles.
shankarsudhir
Subject: Re: forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest — 5th-7th December @ 2015-12-08 5:53 PM (#20213 - in reply to #20070) (#20213) Top




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Location: India
 Was there sufficient variety in the puzzle types represented? Yes, lot of variety
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Sudoku + Skyscrapers + Star Battle
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount


A very nice challenging set of puzzles ! Looking forward to more such tests in the future.

Thanks,
Sudhir
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