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@ 2015-09-09 10:46 PM (#19289) (#19289) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-09-09 10:46 PM






Edited by rakesh_rai 2015-09-12 3:24 AM
@ 2015-09-12 4:58 PM (#19324 - in reply to #19289) (#19324) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-09-12 4:58 PM

Nice logo.Looking forward to it !
@ 2015-09-14 12:14 PM (#19351 - in reply to #19289) (#19351) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-09-14 12:14 PM

Interesting IB.Looks like a very tough set.I have the following queries.
* Draw Crossnumber : Do the digits outside the grid represent the length of shaded cell blocks in order ?
* Triminoes : Not sure what is meant to be implied ?!Are the rules same as this : http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/2014/5/trimino-sudoku-gp-practi...
* Maze : There should be at least one empty space between two wall segments.I don't understand the above statement nor am I to solve the 4X4 example.Can the statement be represented pictorially along with its violation for a better idea ?
Flower : Does the idea of consecutive apply to cells not in orthogonal contact but however is in the line of a row or column?For instance,the bottom most 2 in the IB .Can it have a 3 next to it?
@ 2015-09-14 1:25 PM (#19352 - in reply to #19351) (#19352) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-14 1:25 PM

kishy72 - 2015-09-14 12:14 PM

* Draw Crossnumber : Do the digits outside the grid represent the length of shaded cell blocks in order ?
Yes. In order. Digits outside the grid show lengths (from top to bottom, or left to right) of all shaded cell groups in corresponding direction. There should be at least one empty cell between two shaded cell groups)

* Triminoes: Not sure what is meant to be implied ?!Are the rules same as this : http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/2014/5/trimino-sudoku-gp-practi...
Rules will not be provided. You will need to look at the given example in the PB and determine the rules.

* Maze: There should be at least one empty space between two wall segments.I don't understand the above statement.Can the statement be represented pictorially along with its violation for a better idea ?
The example in the IB does not have two clues in the same column or row. But in the PB there can be more than one clues in the same row or column (For example, 2 2 2). In that case, there needs to be one or more empty spaces between separate wall segments. Also, if you look at the solution for the maze in the IB, the 4th column (out of 5) will have the clue as 1 1.

Flower: Does the idea of consecutive apply to cells not in orthogonal contact but however is in the line of a row or column?For instance,the bottom most 2 in the IB .Can it have a 3 next to it?
The bottom most 2 cannot have a 3 in the cell to its right because 3 is already appearing in that column. The answer to your question is Yes. The idea of consecutive will apply to all cells in a line (row or column) even though they may not be orthogonally connected.
@ 2015-09-14 1:36 PM (#19353 - in reply to #19289) (#19353) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-09-14 1:36 PM

Thanks Rakesh ! Things are crystal clear now.

Kishore
@ 2015-09-14 7:08 PM (#19362 - in reply to #19289) (#19362) Top

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margareta456 posted @ 2015-09-14 7:08 PM

I have one question: will the result from Riad's September Sudoku Contest consider in LMI ranking?
@ 2015-09-14 7:33 PM (#19363 - in reply to #19289) (#19363) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-14 7:33 PM

Since the variants in this test are not very familiar ones, we will take a look at them over the week, one by one.

1. DARTS SUDOKU

What is different?- Each ring is like a row. Each 9-cell sector is like a column.Each circle part bordered by thick lines is like a 3x3 box. So this is very similar to a 9x9 normal sudoku grid. But there is an additional constraint because of the "dart cells". The sum of the "dart cells" should equal the number in the centre.

How to solve-We need to apply classic rules and also keep an eye on the possible numbers in the "dart cells" while solving. Also, there will be less space to write in the inner circles, so utilize available space optimally while solving. Note that numbers CAN repeat in the "dart cells."
@ 2015-09-14 8:28 PM (#19367 - in reply to #19362) (#19367) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2015-09-14 8:28 PM

margareta456 - 2015-09-14 7:08 PM

I have one question: will the result from Riad's September Sudoku Contest consider in LMI ranking?
No.
@ 2015-09-15 5:28 PM (#19384 - in reply to #19289) (#19384) Top

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lrani posted @ 2015-09-15 5:28 PM

Can someone pls share the link for more examples on map sudoku.
@ 2015-09-15 6:12 PM (#19385 - in reply to #19289) (#19385) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2015-09-15 6:12 PM

In map sudoku example the letters B and C in the bottom left and right can be interchanged because we have a B at R2C2 satisfying the condition.
@ 2015-09-15 6:19 PM (#19386 - in reply to #19384) (#19386) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-15 6:19 PM

2. POSITION SUDOKU

What is different?
* This will have a (normal) 9x9 sudoku grid.
* The position of every cell is marked with a number from 1-9.
* If the cell value is the same as the position value, then we say that the cell "contains its number".
* For the eight outside boxes, the number of such cells in the box is given. This is also given for the two diagonals.

How to solve
* We need to apply classic rules and also keep counting or eliminating cells which "can have their number".
* If the number of given cells is very high or very low, that box or diagonal could be a place to start.
* Also, you could follow a notation to mark the cells which CANNOT "contain their number" (you could cross or circle the position mark).
* For example, if a '1' is a given number in R2C1 then R1C1, R4C1 and R7C1 cannot "contain their number", and so on. We can mark them as eliminated for counting.
* Also once a box or diagonal has reached its count, we can eliminate the position numbers from the other cells in the box or diagonal respectively.
* Do not confuse between pencilmarks and position marks.

@ 2015-09-15 6:24 PM (#19387 - in reply to #19385) (#19387) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-15 6:24 PM

devarajand - 2015-09-15 6:12 PM

In map sudoku example the letters B and C in the bottom left and right can be interchanged because we have a B at R2C2 satisfying the condition.

B at R2C2 is not coloured, so it is not a point on the map. So it cannot satisfy the condition.
@ 2015-09-15 6:37 PM (#19388 - in reply to #19289) (#19388) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2015-09-15 6:37 PM

In maze sudoku, the multiple ckues will be given in the same order. ie if their exists a gap between walls the given multiple clues will be in the same order of walls .Is this true.
@ 2015-09-15 6:41 PM (#19389 - in reply to #19388) (#19389) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-15 6:41 PM

devarajand - 2015-09-15 6:37 PM

In maze sudoku, the multiple ckues will be given in the same order. ie if their exists a gap between walls the given multiple clues will be in the same order of walls .Is this true.
Yes. You are right.
@ 2015-09-15 7:49 PM (#19390 - in reply to #19386) (#19390) Top

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Swagatam posted @ 2015-09-15 7:49 PM

The Position Sudoku is still not clear to me. What I understood is only that if a cell contains a number equals to the number at the top right corner of that cell is the cell which contains its number. After that what to do with neighbour cells? And what do the numbers indicate outside the Sudoku box? What does the 'Position' mean here? Is that the position of Row/Column of the cell? Could you please explain the example from the given IB?
@ 2015-09-15 8:17 PM (#19391 - in reply to #19390) (#19391) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-15 8:17 PM

Swagatam - 2015-09-15 7:49 PM

The Position Sudoku is still not clear to me. What I understood is only that if a cell contains a number equals to the number at the top right corner of that cell is the cell which contains its number. After that what to do with neighbour cells? And what do the numbers indicate outside the Sudoku box? What does the 'Position' mean here? Is that the position of Row/Column of the cell? Could you please explain the example from the given IB?


Look at the solution. Easier to explain from there. We have three numbers given outside - 2 for box2, 0 for box4 and 2 for one diagonal.
* If you look at box 2, the cells with 3 and 4 "contain their numbers". So there are two cells which "contain their numbers".
* If you look at box 4, none of the cells "contain their numbers". So there are zero cells which "contain their numbers".
* If you look at the marked diagonal, both the 3s "contain their numbers". So there are two cells which "contain their numbers".

Did you get a clarity on the rules, Swagatam?

Edited by rakesh_rai 2015-09-16 10:36 AM
@ 2015-09-16 10:22 AM (#19397 - in reply to #19289) (#19397) Top

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sanket.saxena posted @ 2015-09-16 10:22 AM

Can we participate in this competition in online mode?
@ 2015-09-16 10:35 AM (#19398 - in reply to #19397) (#19398) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-16 10:35 AM

sanket.saxena - 2015-09-16 10:22 AM

Can we participate in this competition in online mode?


Unfortunately the answer is 'No'. You need to print the pdf and solve it, or solve in paint which may be cumbersome.
@ 2015-09-16 12:14 PM (#19399 - in reply to #19289) (#19399) Top

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Riad Khanmagomedov posted @ 2015-09-16 12:14 PM

I thank Rakesh for detailed responses. They are really comprehensive, so I have not had to engage in a discussion.
@ 2015-09-16 3:04 PM (#19401 - in reply to #19289) (#19401) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2015-09-16 3:04 PM

For Map Sudoku, my print doesn't show shaded cells. Is it too late to make the Puzzle booklet version have gray cells like the ones used on Mahabharat, etc.?
@ 2015-09-16 3:17 PM (#19402 - in reply to #19401) (#19402) Top

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prasanna16391 - 2015-09-16 3:04 PM

For Map Sudoku, my print doesn't show shaded cells. Is it too late to make the Puzzle booklet version have gray cells like the ones used on Mahabharat, etc.?

Yes, I'll do gray cells, if necessary.
@ 2015-09-16 5:24 PM (#19403 - in reply to #19289) (#19403) Top

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lrani posted @ 2015-09-16 5:24 PM

IB looks very tough. Thanks to Rakesh for the detailed explanation on position sudoku. Looks clear now. It will be great if the link with more examples could be shared on these types.
@ 2015-09-16 5:50 PM (#19404 - in reply to #19403) (#19404) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-16 5:50 PM

3. THREEVISION SUDOKU

What is different?
* This will have a (normal) 9x9 sudoku grid.
* Some dotted boxes will be given. The sum of numbers in these boxes should be a multiple of 3 (3,6,9,12, and so on).

How to solve
* This variant should be much simpler to understand and is not much different from normal variants, in terms of solving.
* Eliminate possibilities from the cells inside the boxes, by utilizing the 3-divisibility rule.
* If it is a box with just one cell, it can be 3 or 6 or 9.
* If it is a box with two cells, the sum can be 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 or 15. Is one number is given, the other number will have limited possibilities.
* The boxes can have any length from 1 to 9.
* Also, note that sum of all numbers in a row/column is 45. So if, for example, N cells are completely covered by a single box. We can conclude that the remaining cells should also add to a multiple of 3. (If X is a multiple of 3, then 45-X is also a multiple of 3). Similar logic can be applied based on how the boxes are placed in the grid.
* For example, in row 1 of the IB grid, R1C4, R1C5, R1C6 add up to a multiple of 3. This means the remaining cells in R1 also add to a multiple of 3. This logic can be especially useful when you have longer dotted boxes.
* Remember the multiplication table of 3 well! and do not forget classic rules.
@ 2015-09-16 8:20 PM (#19406 - in reply to #19391) (#19406) Top

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Swagatam posted @ 2015-09-16 8:20 PM

Yes, it is clear to me now. Thanks Rakesh for clarifying this.
@ 2015-09-17 1:32 AM (#19409 - in reply to #19289) (#19409) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2015-09-17 1:32 AM

9. FENCES SUDOKU

What is different?
* It is effectively a 6x6 sudoku.
* Each number in the grid shows how many of the four segments around it belong to the digit-fence.

How to solve
* Just replace all the 36 cells with pencilmarks, based on the possible digit fences that meet the given constraints.
* In the IB example, if you look at R1C2, only the digit fences 3 and 5 meet the given constraints where 3 appears two times in the grid. So we put 3 and 5 as pencilmarks in this cell.
* After all pencilmarks are done, solve it as a normal 6x6 sudoku.
* This should be the easiest sudoku in the contest, going by points as well.
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