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Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 2:16 PM (#6109 - in reply to #6108) (#6109) Top


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bartunio - 2011-12-02 1:52 PM

Hi,

Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek

No, this test will not be included in ratings. It is mentioned in the 'About Annual Competitions' thread.

In general Annual Competitions won't be included in monthly ratings. If any annual competition is included in ratings, it will be announced in forum.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 7:43 PM (#6110 - in reply to #6067) (#6110) Top


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Password protected puzzle booklet is uploaded. It has 9 pages, there is no cover page, there is no points table.
bartunio
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 9:01 PM (#6111 - in reply to #6109) (#6111) Top




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Rohan Rao - 2011-12-02 11:16 AM

bartunio - 2011-12-02 1:52 PM

Hi,

Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek

No, this test will not be included in ratings. It is mentioned in the 'About Annual Competitions' thread.

In general Annual Competitions won't be included in monthly ratings. If any annual competition is included in ratings, it will be announced in forum.


Thanks! Sorry for silly question - have been overworked recently:-)

B

Edited by bartunio 2011-12-02 9:01 PM
tomasz
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-02 11:30 PM (#6112 - in reply to #6111) (#6112) Top




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Hi,
Where do I find the password? It's not displayed as in the picture above.

Ok, I got it. Sorry, I'm relatively new here :)

Edited by tomasz 2011-12-02 11:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 9:34 AM (#6113 - in reply to #6112) (#6113) Top


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Link to score page, as usual, http://logicmastersindia.com/forsmarts2011/score.asp
tjt_1005
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 11:32 AM (#6114 - in reply to #6067) (#6114) Top




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May I ask what is this 'Claim Points' button in the Results page? Thanks!
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 11:50 AM (#6115 - in reply to #6114) (#6115) Top


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tjt_1005 - 2011-12-03 11:32 AM

May I ask what is this 'Claim Points' button in the Results page? Thanks!


We've explained it here in the Puzzle F.A.Q. - http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=382&s...
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 2:22 PM (#6117 - in reply to #6067) (#6117) Top


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Enjoyed the puzzles and the theme which was quite new to me.

Did a bad little blunder in the Outside sums sudoku that ended up ruining the whole bunch of 4 :P

Admins - I'm not sure if I entered the right answer correctly in the claim points box. If at all it matters, I'll gladly give it again.
swaroop2011
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 8:30 PM (#6124 - in reply to #6105) (#6124) Top


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kiwijam - 2011-12-02 6:14 AM

Hi Swaroop,
Starting point for the Dotted Snake...
The top-right puzzle is solvable by itself.
From the 1-cell, the snake cannot go right-up-up-left-up, because you'll struggle to get 3 dots in the 6th row.
And it cannot go right-up-up-left-left, because then it can't get to the right-most column and back to the 16-cell in time.
So it must go up-up from the 1-cell. This causes the dots in the right-most column to be in the 1st and 4th rows. And hopefully you can work through the rest of the snake.
This gives enough clues to solve the top-left puzzle, then the bottom-left, then the bottom-right.

A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger!


hey thanks
hope so the contest puzzle is easy one.
Maksim
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-03 9:23 PM (#6125 - in reply to #6067) (#6125) Top




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Another excellent contest. Thank you, Vladimir. In spite of the mistakes, I made, I enjoy the puzzles very much. I envy those who have not yet solved these puzzles. Good luck for everybody.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 12:32 AM (#6127 - in reply to #6067) (#6127) Top


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Hi everybody,
at first I want to express my thank to the organisers and authors. This is one of the test types that was missing until now. I really enjoyed the puzzles.
Only think I do not consider suitable is the answer format for puzzles with blackened cells. It is impossible to check all the "-" signs. Probably my screen is not big enough, but I really think that it will be better if some friendly signs will be used. For example, when you write WWWWW or BBBBB it is easier as -----------
Thanks

Matus
debmohanty
Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 4:57 AM (#6128 - in reply to #6067) (#6128) Top



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Matus, very impressive performance from you.
On using the "-" symbols, the font used in the submission system makes it more difficult as well. So at the very least we should be using a different font. The Sudoku one already uses a fixed-width font. We'll change the font in puzzle submission system as well.


Unrelated note : There was a minor glitch in the score page where "total points" for 2 players was computed wrongly. It has been fixed since. Thanks prasanna16391 for reporting.
forsmarts
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 1:54 PM (#6129 - in reply to #6067) (#6129) Top


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In order to avoid double standards all the claims for submission of the wrong row/column will be rejected. Please be careful entering your answers.
swaroop2011
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 4:39 PM (#6130 - in reply to #6067) (#6130) Top


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nice set of puzzles,
enjoyed a lot,
messed up in easy as abc, skyscraper.
performance was not so as i expected but any ways thanks to author for such an awesome contest.
Fred76
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 8:12 PM (#6131 - in reply to #6130) (#6131) Top



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Thanks for the wonderful test !
The concept was just fine and puzzles were really good !

(every puzzle tests should have many sudokus and other latin square puzzles, héhé ! and I should always check my codes when I decide to stop playing and the timing is not finished)

Fred

Edited by Fred76 2011-12-04 8:12 PM
jsmith
Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 10:58 PM (#6132 - in reply to #6067) (#6132) Top




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I am pretty new at using this site. I mostly download the puzzles and work them on my own, usually long after the contests are over. Today, I had my coffee, sat down at the computer, logged in...and I cannot see a password or timer anywhere. The blanks for entering solutions are there - but no password. Has this happened to anyone else?

- Jeff
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 11:31 PM (#6133 - in reply to #6067) (#6133) Top


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Well I see that you haven't said that you clicked on "Start Forsmarts...". Do that if you haven't. Once you do that, timer and password will appear. If you did that as well, then there's some glitch probably that the admins will check out when they're online.
Fred76
Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-04 11:34 PM (#6134 - in reply to #6132) (#6134) Top



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jsmith - 2011-12-04 10:58 PM

I am pretty new at using this site. I mostly download the puzzles and work them on my own, usually long after the contests are over. Today, I had my coffee, sat down at the computer, logged in...and I cannot see a password or timer anywhere. The blanks for entering solutions are there - but no password. Has this happened to anyone else?

- Jeff


Hi Jeff, Once you're logged, you just have to click on "start forsmarts 9th annual competition" and you'll see the password and timer.
I don't see you in the list of participant, so I think you just didn't start.

Fred
Emma
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-05 3:55 AM (#6135 - in reply to #6067) (#6135) Top




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That was fun - thanks.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-05 3:59 AM (#6136 - in reply to #6067) (#6136) Top




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Really loved the idea and the puzzles!
motris
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-05 1:23 PM (#6137 - in reply to #6067) (#6137) Top




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I was 90% sure I would have to skip this test but I found a few hours this evening and I am glad I did. These were very elegant combinations of classic types, with lots of good interactions between the grids. Thanks very much for these puzzles Vlad!
debmohanty
Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-06 6:00 AM (#6141 - in reply to #6067) (#6141) Top



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With no more participants at this point, Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest is now over. Preliminary results available at http://logicmastersindia.com/forsmarts2011/score.asp Vladimir will check the last few entries before the results are frozen.
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Subject: RE: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-06 9:14 AM (#6142 - in reply to #6067) (#6142) Top



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Congratulations to motris, for winning this contest with a huge margin. uvo is next with significant margin from misko. All of misko's submissions came after 120 minutes, and he lost 100 points.

A total of 205 players, out of which 155 players solved at least one puzzle and 148 players solved at least one set completely. Interestingly, tarotaro was the only player to have solved all 4 Dotted Snakes.

We haven't used Extra Time regularly in the past. But I felt many players lost lot of points because of using Extra Time. For example, xevs lost 53.2 - 18 - 8 = 27.2 points for fixing a typo during Extra time. (He made a typo at 018:50, he fixed it at 124:26) He would have got 27.2 points if he hadn't fixed the typo.

May be .2 per second was really high for this since the maximum points achieved was 835 points.
motris
Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-06 9:49 AM (#6144 - in reply to #6142) (#6144) Top




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Penalty systems like this one often require a solver to calculate on the fly if they should submit or not and certainly some players will submit when it is not to their advantage.

I finished the last two battleship parts 4 minutes in extra time, around when it would have cost me about 42 points to submit. It took me 2 points of time to figure out 15+15+10 was < 42 and also now < 44 points of penalty so I never submitted. But I could have made this mistake and lost points.

I personally like extra time that operates a little more like T3ist scoring, so there is rapidly declining value for submitting in this time, but it is always worth something to submit and the competitor doesn't have to solve a separate puzzle of calculating his marginal score improvement. Perhaps 80% value for 1 minute over, 60% value for 2 minutes over, ..., 0% value for 5 minutes over.
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Subject: Re: Forsmarts 3² Anniversary Squared Contest — 3rd-5th December @ 2011-12-06 2:44 PM (#6145 - in reply to #6067) (#6145) Top


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Many thanks to all the participants! Congratulations to Thomas, it was an impressive victory.
Sorry if anyone felt being treated unfair when the claims for the points were rejected: rows and columns for the answer keys were selected on purpose. So to keep the judging consistent - all the claims on submitting wrong row/column were rejected, no matter if it felt like a trick to enter a line that could be filled in the very beginning of solving process or otherwise.
I also want to extend gratitude to Deb who created a wonderful handy engine for conducting online-contests and was very helping during the preparation to the contest and the contest itself.
All the best, come back next year for a jubilee contest! :)
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