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dohz
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Country : United States | dohz posted @ 2023-06-27 8:28 PM it+appears+that+my+solve+times+are+still+recorded+and+displayed+despite+having+toggled+the+%E2%80%9CRecord+timing%E2%80%9D+box+as+unchecked+before+solving%2E%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flogicmastersindia%2Ecom%2Fexpo%2F%3Fppid%3D668%2Dwok%2Dwrc%23timing%2Dreplay%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flogicmastersindia%2Ecom%2Fexpo%2F%3Fppid%3Dui6%2Dmy1%2Df9e%23timing%2Dreplay |
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Country : India | %5BQUOTE%5Ddohz+%2D+2023%2D06%2D27++8%3A28+PM%0D%0A%0D%0Ait+appears+that+my+solve+times+are+still+recorded+and+displayed+despite+having+toggled+the+%E2%80%9CRecord+timing%E2%80%9D+box+as+unchecked+before+solving%2E%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flogicmastersindia%2Ecom%2Fexpo%2F%3Fppid%3D668%2Dwok%2Dwrc%23timing%2Dreplay%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flogicmastersindia%2Ecom%2Fexpo%2F%3Fppid%3Dui6%2Dmy1%2Df9e%23timing%2Dreplay%5B%2FQUOTE%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AFixed%2E |
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prasanna16391
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Country : India | Pedro - 2023-06-27 9:04 PM
Is incorporating puzz.link, kudamono editor, and other interfaces with error checking planned?
The Penpa integration has been something we have worked on over years, first bringing it into our usual contests, then the daily series, and then moving on to the Expo. All of this was also assisted by the fact that we were already used to working with Swaroop. Assuming the effort and process is similar, incorporating other interfaces isn't a priority at this point. We want to focus on some other areas building on the database aspect of things, and bringing in other features. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Just from trying the first few puzzles, one of the ways to mess up is by defining the wrong "default tool" that is used when you first open the puzzle in Penpa_PLUS_. If you use Penpa_PLUS_ a lot, you know what to do to fix that, but it's still a bit annoying, if you know there would have been a better option. And new users might throw the towel here already, if it is impossible to solve the puzzle with the tool that is given them on default. Don't know what your target audience is, but you probably want to put the bar for accessibility as low as possible.
Just an example (without wanting to blame him, just so you know that I mean): Sams Slitherlink uses coloring as the default tool when it is opened and I think I have seen three more puzzles by now that felt wrong.
But I also have no idea how to "guide" the setter to set up the best available tool as default.
For my own puzzle that I put up for testing, I somehow ended with black numbers as default and was surprised, that the answer check didn't work, until I discovered what was going on. In this case, I don't see a reason why number colors for checking are restricted to green,blue,red.
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | I'd suggest adding a "No Sudoku" quick-search . For the LMG portal, that is the much more popular option. I really hope you will not encounter the same "flood" of 90% Sudokus though. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 12:53 AM
I'd suggest adding a "No Sudoku" quick-search . For the LMG portal, that is the much more popular option. I really hope you will not encounter the same "flood" of 90% Sudokus though. We are working on a providing a similar option. Thank you for the suggestion. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 12:53 AM
I'd suggest adding a "No Sudoku" quick-search . For the LMG portal, that is the much more popular option. I really hope you will not encounter the same "flood" of 90% Sudokus though. We have provided a "Puzzle Excluding Sudoku" under quick-search.
Additionally, we have also provided a mechanism to customize the Expo landing page. Using this, one can hide Sudoku related puzzles if needed. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | The "customize" options appear everytime again I enter the front page. Is that the intended behaviour? (Firefox) |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 9:53 PM
The "customize" options appear everytime again I enter the front page. Is that the intended behaviour? (Firefox) No, that is not intentional. We will have this checked. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | It's every time I have to log in again, which is everytime I had all browser windows closed (e.g. after system restart). I have not blocked any cookies. Loging out on purpose and loging in again has the same effect (but in this case it is mentioned that all cookies are deleted). |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 10:22 PM
It's every time I have to log in again, which is everytime I had all browser windows closed (e.g. after system restart). I have not blocked any cookies. Loging out on purpose and loging in again has the same effect (but in this case it is mentioned that all cookies are deleted). For now, we have disabled the popup for everyone. Of course, the button to customize is available for manually customizing. |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-04 12:41 PM |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
- Maybe puzzles under review could be removed from the "recent unsolved" list, since they're also not currently solvable. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Suggestion: Remove "Puzzles under review" from the lists of recently published puzzles (all/unsolved). Or at least give them an icon. |
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Country : India | Thank you both. Nice suggestion about "Puzzles under review". For "Recently published puzzles" : We will mark it is broken. We have removed from "Recently published puzzles (Unsolved )" List.
Menderbug - 2023-07-04 4:43 PM
Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
No, you are right, there is no direct link. We will add. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | There is still something wrong with the time measurement I think. Tapa (Windows) by Chiel shows a solving time of 10 hours something for me. I'm almost sure, I have opened and looked at the puzzle on friday or saturday, when I did my first few puzzles. Even if I'm remembering that wrong, I'm sure I did not open it and started the timer around 6am today when I was in deep sleep. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Thanks for removing the puzzles under review from the unsolved list, but it seems they're still counted by the "and N more unsolved puzzles" link. That's probably less critical, but might be confusing.  (puzzle-expo-unsolved.png)Attachments ----------------  puzzle-expo-unsolved.png (9KB - 0 downloads) |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-04 10:03 PM
Thanks for removing the puzzles under review from the unsolved list, but it seems they're still counted by the "and N more unsolved puzzles" link. That's probably less critical, but might be confusing. Fixed. Can you please confirm? |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-04 8:19 PM
There is still something wrong with the time measurement I think. Tapa (Windows) by Chiel shows a solving time of 10 hours something for me. I'm almost sure, I have opened and looked at the puzzle on friday or saturday, when I did my first few puzzles. Even if I'm remembering that wrong, I'm sure I did not open it and started the timer around 6am today when I was in deep sleep. Yes, there is some display issue whenever the actual time take is more than a day. We have decided not to show timing, if it is more than a day. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Administrator - 2023-07-04 11:34 PM
Fixed. Can you please confirm? Looks good! Edited by Menderbug 2023-07-05 12:06 AM
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Soni
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Country : India | Soni posted @ 2023-07-05 2:21 AM - Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc ) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
- Can we have a thread to report incorrect timings? I started https://logicmastersindia.com/expo/?ppid=9sm-djs-gsv#timing-replay assuming it's easy (Best timing is 0:04 ) but it was not. Admins can manually remove anything from the thread that's clearly a bug
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-04 4:43 PM
Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
We have now added a "Help" menu at top of each of the Expo pages. Once of the submenus point to this thread. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-04 7:16 PM
Suggestion: Remove "Puzzles under review" from the lists of recently published puzzles (all/unsolved). Or at least give them an icon. Have added an icon to Recently published puzzles. As posted earlier, have removed them from "unsolved" list. Thank you so much for sharing very helpful suggestions. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages.
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | After having done a few more puzzles, it's still the most common mistake, that a puzzle is started with the wrong default tool (e.g. "Surface" in a Sudoku). It's easy to fix for the solver, but it still feels annoying, if it comes up again and again.
It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.
Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.
One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.
It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Administrator - 2023-07-05 3:52 PM
Thank you both. Nice suggestion about "Puzzles under review".
For "Recently published puzzles" : We will mark it is broken.
We have removed from "Recently published puzzles (Unsolved)" List.
Thanks for the changes so far. I still have some small concerns with "Puzzles under review".
They are filtered now on the mainpage in the "unsolved puzzles" list and they have a symbol in the "recently published" list. But if I enter the list of unsolved puzzles via the main page, they are shown again and I can't distinguish them from currently available puzzles. Depending on my activity and the number of posted puzzles, this could lead to a situation where I have a handful of unsolved puzzles among a long list of "puzzles under review". And I have to click through all of them to find the ones I can still do.
For me it seems the list of "unsolved puzzles" entered from the main page is the most common way to navigate for "heavy users". At least for now and if they are not searching for something specific. And as long as the portal does not take off with dozens of puzzles per day, there will be enough people with near completion that have the same problem.
You might also consider deleting "Puzzles under review", if the reason does not get adressed by the author after a reasonable time. There are a few currently which should be easily fixable in a minute or so (they are just missing a proper answer check ), meanwhile the author prefers publishing more puzzles. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | I hope I'm not annoying with my suggestions and errors, but right now I'm assuming you want as much feedback as possible.
One more thing I've seen is that room outside the grid is sometimes taken into account when the grid size is determind. As an example look at the Skyscrapers (Cipher) by professorX. It is possible that this is a mistake during the setup in Penpa. But even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter.
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 6:15 PM
I hope I'm not annoying with my suggestions and errors, but right now I'm assuming you want as much feedback as possible. Of course, all your postings have been genuinely helpful and they are more than welcome.
Just that sometimes it might take us some time to act/implement.
But, please be rest assured, all the feedback posted here are taken very seriously. Request continue to provide any kind of feedback/bugs, even if small ones. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 4:07 AM
After having done a few more puzzles, it's still the most common mistake, that a puzzle is started with the wrong default tool (e.g. "Surface" in a Sudoku). It's easy to fix for the solver, but it still feels annoying, if it comes up again and again.
It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.
Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.
One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.
It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists.
We acknowledge the feedback and agree with it, we are discussing internally on the ways to improve this. However, as you have guessed, it is significant amount of change in Penpa, so it wll take a while before we can implement this. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 1:00 PM
They are filtered now on the mainpage in the "unsolved puzzles" list and they have a symbol in the "recently published" list. But if I enter the list of unsolved puzzles via the main page, they are shown again and I can't distinguish them from currently available puzzles. Depending on my activity and the number of posted puzzles, this could lead to a situation where I have a handful of unsolved puzzles among a long list of "puzzles under review". And I have to click through all of them to find the ones I can still do.
For me it seems the list of "unsolved puzzles" entered from the main page is the most common way to navigate for "heavy users". At least for now and if they are not searching for something specific. And as long as the portal does not take off with dozens of puzzles per day, there will be enough people with near completion that have the same problem. For Under Review puzzles, we have added the same symbol in the list of unsolved puzzles. Hope it helps. Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 1:00 PM
You might also consider deleting "Puzzles under review", if the reason does not get adressed by the author after a reasonable time. There are a few currently which should be easily fixable in a minute or so (they are just missing a proper answer check), meanwhile the author prefers publishing more puzzles. You are right about it. We are debating if we should allow authors to post new puzzles until their "Under Review" puzzles are fixed, OR if we should just delete the "Under Review" puzzles after a week. |
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Country : India | Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
There is no plan to make this change. This filtering is not used much, as per the filtering log. |
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Soni
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Country : India | Soni posted @ 2023-07-09 1:03 PM Administrator - 2023-07-09 8:49 AM
Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
There is no plan to make this change. This filtering is not used much, as per the filtering log.
That's fair, but I think then the time filter should maybe be removed. Maybe the filtering is not used much because it's broken (and not vice versa ), but either way I think the current filter is not very useful so might be better to remove.
Also, not sure where to give general LMI feedback but the "Forum updates" section of the LMI home page should be filtered to only have mod-approved messages. Right now obvious-spam things will show on the sidebar even though they will never be mod-approved |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | It seems that the latest change to limit recently published puzzles by author has broken the "Hide Sudokus" filter.
Edit: also the extra puzzles from each other are not counted for the "N more unsolved puzzles" link.
Edited by Menderbug 2023-07-10 11:50 AM
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | It's actually even weirder, it currently displays "-8 more unsolved puzzles" for me on desktop. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | The actual limit of two puzzles per author doesn't actually seem work properly either. This is my current list.  (Screenshot 2023-07-10 104157.bak.bak.png)Attachments ---------------- Screenshot 2023-07-10 104157.bak.bak.png (90KB - 0 downloads) |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-10 11:48 AM
It seems that the latest change to limit recently published puzzles by author has broken the "Hide Sudokus" filter.
Edit: also the extra puzzles from each other are not counted for the "N more unsolved puzzles" link. Right, the "Hide Sudokus" filter was broken. Have fixed it now. Checking other issues that you have reported. |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-10 2:13 PM
The actual limit of two puzzles per author doesn't actually seem work properly either. This is my current list. If there are not enough puzzles after taking 2 from each author to make it 20 (as per your customizations ), we start showing more from individual authors.
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Country : India | Soni - 2023-07-09 1:03 PM
Also, not sure where to give general LMI feedback but the "Forum updates" section of the LMI home page should be filtered to only have mod-approved messages. Right now obvious-spam things will show on the sidebar even though they will never be mod-approved Fixed. |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-10 3:40 PM It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate)
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate) All valid points, somehow we missed to implement this.
- Being able to see the (unsolved ) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page - Done- Being able to see the solution (by toggle? ) without having to solve the puzzle - Will explore- (To a lesser extent and because of the above ) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles - Done - Leaderboard page disabled for example puzzles- (Also less important ) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle - Done - Example puzzles hidden from search engine and also from Expo home page.
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-05 9:50 PM
The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages. All pages (except My Puzzles ) have same header now. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | I just tried to submit a puzzle for the first time, but both the Preview and Submit buttons seem to do nothing except set the puzzle's Display Size to 20 for some reason. Am I doing something silly? |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Since this is a hobby for (almost) all of us, I would suggest using a less harsh wording on the recently introduced "penalties" page . In particular, I think it would be better to talk about "restrictions" instead of "penalities". |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | I have some strange behaviour in my only posted puzzle. There was a comment, that the answer check was not triggering for somebody. There were a lot of solutions since then, so maybe the solution was just wrong in this case, I don't know. But I still decided to check it. And whatever I do if I start the puzzle in "review" mode, it seems like I can't trigger the answer check either. Not in Sudoku mode (which is set by default) not in numbers mode, not in any color I tried. Is it still possible to trigger the answer check in "review" mode in a puzzle that is a few weeks old? I'm sure it worked, when I set it up originally. I can provide the solution if that helps, just send me a message in that case. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | There might be a bug with the comment filter on the home page. I've set mine to "recent comments on my published puzzles" but my Latest Comment panel is empty (apart from "and 462 more comments") even though the puzzle I published earlier has a couple of comments. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | I think the filter just excludes the pure "emoji" comments. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-14 7:52 PM
I think the filter just excludes the pure "emoji" comments. That is right observation.
Comments with only emojis are not shown in Expo home page. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Yep, can confirm, thanks! |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-14 6:12 PM
Since this is a hobby for (almost) all of us, I would suggest using a less harsh wording on the recently introduced "penalties" page . In particular, I think it would be better to talk about "restrictions" instead of "penalities". This is very thoughtful of you. Thank you for sharing. We have changed the wording. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-15 6:52 AMI just tried to submit a puzzle for the first time, but both the Preview and Submit buttons seem to do nothing except set the puzzle's Display Size to 20 for some reason. Am I doing something silly? Thank you for reporting. This is now fixed. Let us know if you still face any trouble in porting the urls. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-15 8:39 AMI have some strange behavior in my only posted puzzle. There was a comment, that the answer check was not triggering for somebody. There were a lot of solutions since then, so maybe the solution was just wrong in this case, I don't know. But I still decided to check it. And whatever I do if I start the puzzle in "review" mode, it seems like I can't trigger the answer check either. Not in Sudoku mode (which is set by default) not in numbers mode, not in any color I tried. Is it still possible to trigger the answer check in "review" mode in a puzzle that is a few weeks old? I'm sure it worked, when I set it up originally. I can provide the solution if that helps, just send me a message in that case. Thank you for your continuous feedback. It's very likely in this particular scenario, the mistake was on the commenter's side, as many others were able to solve it without any issues.On a side note, until now, we only allowed the Author to be able to test solve only once. We have pushed some changes now for the Author to be able to test their puzzles multiple times.Do note, If you refresh the page and Local Storage is ON, then it may directly go into Correct Puzzle Scenario as it will retain the solution and pop up the Feedback immediately. I would recommend undoing or Deleting your Solution and then refreshing the page to start a fresh test again.Let us know if you still face any challenges. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-08 8:15 AMBut even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter. We have stated this in the Expo Submission Guidelines. I hope the Author sees and realizes that in the future puzzles.  (guidelines_snap-min.png)Attachments ---------------- guidelines_snap-min.png (34KB - 1 downloads) |
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dohz
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Country : United States | dohz posted @ 2023-07-16 10:58 AM are+puzzles+that+i+have+deleted+going+to+be+listed+under+%E2%80%9Cmy+puzzles%E2%80%9D+forever+%28even+if+it%E2%80%99s+only+visible+to+me%29%3F+i+know+i+can+just+filter+them+out%2C+but+it+would+still+be+nice+to+have+them+removed+from+the+listing+altogether+to+reduce+clutter%2E+%28i+had+a+puzzle+where+i+noticed+a+small+error+in+transcription+after+already+publishing+it+and+i+rushed+to+delete+it+before+realizing+i+could+have+edited+it+instead%2E%29
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Country : India | %5BQUOTE%5Ddohz+%2D+2023%2D07%2D16++10%3A58+AM%0D%0A%0D%0Aare+puzzles+that+i+have+deleted+going+to+be+listed+under+%E2%80%9Cmy+puzzles%E2%80%9D+forever+%28even+if+it%E2%80%99s+only+visible+to+me%29%3F+i+know+i+can+just+filter+them+out%2C+but+it+would+still+be+nice+to+have+them+removed+from+the+listing+altogether+to+reduce+clutter%2E+%28i+had+a+puzzle+where+i+noticed+a+small+error+in+transcription+after+already+publishing+it+and+i+rushed+to+delete+it+before+realizing+i+could+have+edited+it+instead%2E%29%5B%2FQUOTE%5D+That+is+a+good+point%2E+We+will+work+on+removing+the+deleted+puzzles+after+a+specific+time+period%2E |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM
It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). Thank you for bringing it up, we will discuss internally how to implement this. Final response is due for this point. |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM
It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). We have implemented this. You will see a "Solved this puzzle elsewhere?" button under the "Solve and Submit" button in the puzzle page, only for non-exclusive puzzles. Once you confirm that you have solved at elsewhere,
1 ) this puzzle will be marked as "Skip" for you, so it won't appear in the home page for you, but you can always search for it with Status=Skipped
2 ) you will be able to rate the puzzle
3 ) the overall solve % in the home page will consider the puzzle as solved.
Let us know what you think. |
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
We will be able to do this only if authors are you using edit mode in Penpa.
So far all examples submitted are using Solver mode in Penpa. |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-21 4:14 PM Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case! |
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-21 4:14 PM
Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case! We have implemented toggle solution feature. See this Disorderly Loop for example.
Also, thank you so much for uploading examples for different genres. We certainly think all authors should upload example puzzles for new-ish genres.
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-22 6:30 PM Oh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well? |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-23 8:30 AMOh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well? It still need to be edit mode for us to capture the solution image. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-01 5:53 AMJust from trying the first few puzzles, one of the ways to mess up is by defining the wrong "default tool" that is used when you first open the puzzle in Penpa_PLUS_. If you use Penpa_PLUS_ a lot, you know what to do to fix that, but it's still a bit annoying, if you know there would have been a better option. And new users might throw the towel here already, if it is impossible to solve the puzzle with the tool that is given them on default. Don't know what your target audience is, but you probably want to put the bar for accessibility as low as possible. Just an example (without wanting to blame him, just so you know that I mean): Sams Slitherlink uses coloring as the default tool when it is opened and I think I have seen three more puzzles by now that felt wrong. But I also have no idea how to "guide" the setter to set up the best available tool as default. Penpa is now updated with added additional checks. Now while submitting the puzzle, it will cross-check the default solver mode with the answer check option. If there is a mismatch, it will throw a message and ask the author to fix it. We just updated the Penpa along with some other new features. This should hopefully resolve the starting solver mode issues on puzzles moving forward. Of course, if there is something I missed, let us know and we will try to address it. |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-08-06 2:22 PM Small point of feedback, it would be nice if a puzzle image is no longer hidden on the puzzle's Summary page when it is marked as 'Solved Elsewhere' |
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-08-06 2:22 PM
Small point of feedback, it would be nice if a puzzle image is no longer hidden on the puzzle's Summary page when it is marked as 'Solved Elsewhere' Good point. Done. |
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dipa
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Country : India | dipa posted @ 2023-08-07 4:28 PM Thank you |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author. |
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Soni
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Country : India | Soni posted @ 2023-08-15 7:39 AM Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle
Edited by Soni 2023-08-15 7:45 AM
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dohz
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Country : United States | dohz posted @ 2023-08-15 8:29 AM bug%3A+it+appears+that%2C+when+submitting+a+puzzle%2C+the+%E2%80%9Cinfo%E2%80%9D+field+cannot+be+directly+typed+into%2E+instead%2C+text+can+only+be+pasted+into+it%2E |
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Country : India | Soni - 2023-08-15 7:39 AM
Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle The "give up" period is set to 24 hours. That means, 24 hours after you start a puzzle, you will be able to see the replay independent of whether you have solved it or not.
May be we should reduce the "give up" period? Thoughts? |
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Country : India | %5BQUOTE%5Ddohz+%2D+2023%2D08%2D15++8%3A29+AM%0D%0A%0D%0Abug%3A+it+appears+that%2C+when+submitting+a+puzzle%2C+the+%E2%80%9Cinfo%E2%80%9D+field+cannot+be+directly+typed+into%2E+instead%2C+text+can+only+be+pasted+into+it%2E%5B%2FQUOTE%5DFixed%2E |
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Soni
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Country : India | Soni posted @ 2023-08-16 9:52 AM Administrator - 2023-08-15 11:46 AM
Soni - 2023-08-15 7:39 AM
Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle The "give up" period is set to 24 hours. That means, 24 hours after you start a puzzle, you will be able to see the replay independent of whether you have solved it or not.
May be we should reduce the "give up" period? Thoughts?
I think the "give up period" should be a button instead of a fixed time period. Virtually nobody I know would fail to solve a puzzle AND go back to see a replay 24h later. But everyone's general thresholds for "How much time do I solve this before I need to see a solution" would be different. It's easier to have a button so people have the choice to see replays early.
Maybe if the concern is competitiveness, the period could have a fixed minimum? Maybe like the button is disabled for the first 30m-60m after which you can press it anytime you want? |
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Country : India | Soni - 2023-08-16 9:52 AM
I think the "give up period" should be a button instead of a fixed time period. Virtually nobody I know would fail to solve a puzzle AND go back to see a replay 24h later. But everyone's general thresholds for "How much time do I solve this before I need to see a solution" would be different. It's easier to have a button so people have the choice to see replays early.
Maybe if the concern is competitiveness, the period could have a fixed minimum? Maybe like the button is disabled for the first 30m-60m after which you can press it anytime you want? Thank you for your suggestion. We have added "Need help? View Replays" button which will be enabled 30 minutes after you start solving a puzzle. Upon confirming, you will be able to view replays. Even after clicking the button, you can continue to solve and submit the puzzle, but timing will not be displayed. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Menderbug - 2023-08-14 12:38 AM
Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author. Just wanted to check that this didn't slip through the cracks. : ) Edited by Menderbug 2023-08-22 4:22 AM
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-08-22 4:22 AM
Menderbug - 2023-08-14 12:38 AM
Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author. Just wanted to check that this didn't slip through the cracks. : ) It did slip under the radar, apologies for that.
For puzzles marked erroneously as "Exclusive", we encourage players to report it, so that we can fix it from the backend, if the author misses to. It certainly is a bigger problem and should be dealt separately.
Agree that there is no mechanism today for test-solved puzzles, unless you are using Expo's test solving link. We highly recommend that authors share the test solver's link, but we agree that it is not always possible. We can explore how to solve this problem, but can you also share the outcome you expect after clicking on this option? (e.g. able to rate the puzzles / view Replays OR Not showing up in "Unsolved List" OR the Most active players stats etc )? Please let us know. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | I personally don't care too much whether I'd be able to vote in this situation, but it might be nice. Seeing replays, removing it from "unsolved" and adding it to the parenthesised number in player stats would be good. I mostly don't want to have to solve it again (especially with a non-representative time that an admin would have to remove). |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-08-22 6:50 PM
I personally don't care too much whether I'd be able to vote in this situation, but it might be nice. Seeing replays, removing it from "unsolved" and adding it to the parenthesised number in player stats would be good. I mostly don't want to have to solve it again (especially with a non-representative time that an admin would have to remove). Done! |
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amedayke
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Country : turkey | Merhaba%2E+Puzzle+Expo%27da+durmak+i%C3%A7in+bir+se%C3%A7enek+olsa+iyi+olur%2E+T%C4%B1pk%C4%B1+gmpuzzles+sitesindeki+gibi%2E+%C3%87%C3%BCnk%C3%BC+soruyu+yar%C4%B1da+b%C4%B1rakt%C4%B1%C4%9F%C4%B1mda+daha+sonra+soruya+d%C3%B6nd%C3%BC%C4%9F%C3%BCmde+s%C3%BCre+kald%C4%B1%C4%9F%C4%B1+yerden+devam+etmiyor%2E+47+dk+da+%C3%A7%C3%B6zd%C3%BC%C4%9F%C3%BCm+soruyu+7+saat+olarak+g%C3%B6steriyor%2E |
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amedayke
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Country : turkey | Hello. There better be an option to stop at the Puzzle Expo. Just like on the gmpuzzles site. Because when I leave the question halfway, when I return to the question later, the time does not pick up where it left off. 47 min also shows the question I solved as 7 hours. |
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Gotroch
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Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2023-08-29 6:22 PM I usually solve with Number - Candidates mode. Replays doesn't show candidates at all. During solving I enter few candidates in a cell, but in replay only big digit is shown at that cell.
Edited by Gotroch 2023-08-29 6:23 PM
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Country : India | amedayke - 2023-08-28 11:13 PM
Hello. There better be an option to stop at the Puzzle Expo. Just like on the gmpuzzles site. Because when I leave the question halfway, when I return to the question later, the time does not pick up where it left off. 47 min also shows the question I solved as 7 hours. This is the designed implementation at the moment. We are not planning to revise it, for now. |
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Country : India | Gotroch - 2023-08-29 6:22 PM
I usually solve with Number - Candidates mode. Replays doesn't show candidates at all. During solving I enter few candidates in a cell, but in replay only big digit is shown at that cell. we will have this debugged. |
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bluerobin
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| I'm very very new on the site, and I'm finding it very difficult to understand the controls on the puzzles. Spending too much time on the controls increases the puzzle time even though I didn't do that. Can there be a tutorial version for first timers to understand the controls? |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | In any list, ordering the puzzles by using the "size" column does weird things. My guess is, the ordering is alphanumerical using the string in the size column. Probably the number of cells should be used. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-11-06 4:18 PM
In any list, ordering the puzzles by using the "size" column does weird things. My guess is, the ordering is alphanumerical using the string in the size column. Probably the number of cells should be used. Fixed this. Ordering is now based on "Number of Cells". |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Thank you, but can you please check again? It's working for the full list of puzzles now (as you can access it via the "recently published" button on the main site), but as soon as I'm setting any kind of filter (like excluding my solved puzzles or anything else), I'm still not able to order it by size. |
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RBK
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Country : India | RBK posted @ 2023-12-14 10:28 PM Where can I register or get updates about the next contest |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Congrats%21+%F0%9F%98%81%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fibb%2Eco%2FrdjGkZB |
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Gotroch
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Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2024-02-16 4:07 PM Is there any reason why black coloured numbers are not accepted for answer checker? Usually (always?) only Green, Blue or Red colour numbers are required. Can you add black colour too? I solved some puzzles correctly with black numbers (when using Candidates mode, sometimes digits are set black as default), only to realize (usually after few minutes of searching for error) I need to rewrite them to needed colour. |
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xorevid
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Country : USA | xorevid posted @ 2024-02-16 8:50 PM hi |
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sayoneyes
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Country : United States | NICE |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2024-02-24 5:00 AM Submission process gives a mismatch error when the new linedir mode is selected as preselected input. Not sure if I can upload images to posts here, please see https://i.imgur.com/qvKThHf.png |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | bakpao - 2024-02-24 7:00 PMSubmission process gives a mismatch error when the new linedir mode is selected as preselected input. Not sure if I can upload images to posts here, please see https://i.imgur.com/qvKThHf.pngI havent yet integrated all the main penpa_PLUS_ changes to the LMI version and so LMI version doesn't have linedir mode yet causing this error.I am currently traveling and it will be few weeks before I can align both versions. Until then I recommend using Line X mode. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Gotroch - 2024-02-17 6:07 AMIs there any reason why black coloured numbers are not accepted for answer checker? Usually (always?) only Green, Blue or Red colour numbers are required. Can you add black colour too? I solved some puzzles correctly with black numbers (when using Candidates mode, sometimes digits are set black as default), only to realize (usually after few minutes of searching for error) I need to rewrite them to needed colour. Thank you for your feedback. I will discuss with the team and make the necessary changes in the next update. |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2024-02-26 4:58 AM Ah that explains, thanks!
Another thing I just noticed, it seems impossible to watch replays of (test) solves by others on my puzzles still in draft. I get a "please solve the puzzle first" popup. Seems like a useful option to have for puzzles in testing. |
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nagmaKhann
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Country : India | hiii |
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Leonardo024
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Country : The Netherlands | I just had to take down a Scrabble puzzle that was having trouble understanding the answer check. I tried remaking it, this time starting to make it in LMI Expo (previously I imported a Penpa link). So, the same time occurs and I don't understand what to do about it. I tried with all colors for number, capital and small letter. Anyone has experience with solution check having difficulties with letters? |
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penpa_test
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Country : India | Leonardo024 - 2024-03-15 5:48 PM
I just had to take down a Scrabble puzzle that was having trouble understanding the answer check. I tried remaking it, this time starting to make it in LMI Expo (previously I imported a Penpa link). So, the same time occurs and I don't understand what to do about it. I tried with all colors for number, capital and small letter. Anyone has experience with solution check having difficulties with letters?
Can you send the puzzle link (penpa link that you tried to import ), I can take a look and let you know what could be the issue. Since you don't want to reveal the puzzle publicly before uploading it to Expo, you can send it to the email penpaplus@gmail.com
I can guide you further through emails.
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