LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November
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Subject: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-12 6:55 PM (#19906) (#19906) Top


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Announcing LMI Screen Test #5

Dates : 20th - 23rd November

Length : Maximum 45 minutes

Screen Test Guide, Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/ST/ST5.asp

Designers : Deb Mohanty, Rohan Rao

Designed based on Screen Tests at WPCs
  • No pdfs, no printing
  • No Online Solving
  • Fixed time for each puzzle
  • Bonus points for each puzzle
  • 20 puzzles
  • 45 minutes



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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 11:58 AM (#19951 - in reply to #19906) (#19951) Top




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"Which equation yields maximum output?

Only addition and subtractions are used."

Is this just for the example or for the actual test that only addition and subtraction are used?
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 11:59 AM (#19952 - in reply to #19951) (#19952) Top



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ghirsch - 2015-11-15 11:58 AM

"Which equation yields maximum output?

Only addition and subtractions are used."

Is this just for the example or for the actual test that only addition and subtraction are used?
Actual test also.
As we mentioned, the instructions for the example puzzle and test puzzle are same for all.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 3:38 PM (#19955 - in reply to #19906) (#19955) Top




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*I don't think I understand the rules of Max Turns and Max Weights.

*In Max Weights,I got maximum weight for C in the following way :

(3A+B)2 = C(1)+D(2)

which gives C =4 //D = 3//A = 1 //B= 2

Why is the solution D ???

*For Max Arrows,the solution is shown as (?) It should be B

Also,while taking the demo,I found the progress meter in green at the top showing how the time is being eaten very irritating and distracting.I would trust my eyes to look at the corner of the screen rather than some other factor indicating to me that my time is going down......
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 4:39 PM (#19956 - in reply to #19955) (#19956) Top


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kishy72 - 2015-11-15 3:38 PM

*I don't think I understand the rules of Max Turns and Max Weights.

*In Max Weights,I got maximum weight for C in the following way :

(3A+B)2 = C(1)+D(2)

which gives C =4 //D = 3//A = 1 //B= 2

Why is the solution D ???

On Weights, A=1, B=3, C=4, D=2. So, answer is C. Will fix it.

On Max Turns, A=2, B=1, C=5, D=3. Do you how a laserbeam works with mirrors?

*For Max Arrows,the solution is shown as (?) It should be B

Sorry :-)

Also,while taking the demo,I found the progress meter in green at the top showing how the time is being eaten very irritating and distracting.I would trust my eyes to look at the corner of the screen rather than some other factor indicating to me that my time is going down......

Based on previous ST's feedback, the small little digits in the corner is 'too subtle', and players liked the idea of a bar (so that they know how soon the time will end from the corner of an eye). Not sure which is better, we will try out the green bar this time.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 4:43 PM (#19957 - in reply to #19956) (#19957) Top



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Rohan Rao - 2015-11-15 4:39 PM

On Max Turns, A=2, B=1, C=5, D=3. Do you how a laserbeam works with mirrors?



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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 5:07 PM (#19959 - in reply to #19956) (#19959) Top



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Rohan Rao - 2015-11-15 4:39 PM

Also,while taking the demo,I found the progress meter in green at the top showing how the time is being eaten very irritating and distracting.I would trust my eyes to look at the corner of the screen rather than some other factor indicating to me that my time is going down......

Based on previous ST's feedback, the small little digits in the corner is 'too subtle', and players liked the idea of a bar (so that they know how soon the time will end from the corner of an eye). Not sure which is better, we will try out the green bar this time.
Actually, lets hear from few others. If some more players feel the previous slider was better than the current bar, we can revert back.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-15 7:59 PM (#19962 - in reply to #19906) (#19962) Top




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Thanks a lot Rohan for the clarification and Deb for the image . I understand now the rules of it.As regards time,if the green meter is tried out this year ,I only hope that I somehow manage to mentally shut it down during the test......

Looking forward to ST5 !
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-16 9:56 AM (#19965 - in reply to #19906) (#19965) Top





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I prefer the progress bar. The countdown timer in the corner is easy to miss.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-16 10:11 AM (#19966 - in reply to #19906) (#19966) Top




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For max shapes I am getting 7 for s and 6 for t.in this way s is indeed the answer but I am still not convinced.is that right??
Also for the mines ,can there be a mine in any cell?(other than the numbered ones)
.also what do the numbers outside the grid signify??
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-16 10:20 AM (#19967 - in reply to #19966) (#19967) Top


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pranavmanu - 2015-11-16 10:11 AM

For max shapes I am getting 7 for s and 6 for t.in this way s is indeed the answer but I am still not convinced.is that right??
Also for the mines ,can there be a mine in any cell?(other than the numbered ones)
.also what do the numbers outside the grid signify??

For Max Shapes, S appears 10 times and T appears 6 times. Remember, the shapes can be rotated/reflected.

For Mines, there can be a mine on any cell which doesn't have a clue. The numbers outside the grid are the answer options, nothing to do with the puzzle :-)
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-17 1:54 PM (#19981 - in reply to #19906) (#19981) Top


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Clarifying rules of "Max Tiles"

It seems the rules for "Tiles" is not clear to some players.
Please note that
1) the Tile can appear anywhere in the right side grid. See updated example below.
2) It is not like domino where [3 4] is same as [4 3].

We have updated the example.



The answer to this is D (Tile 43)
Tile A (12) appears 3 times in the grid, Tile B (23) appears 3 times, Tile C (34) appears 2 times in the grid, and Tile D (43) appears 4 times in the grid.


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 11:09 AM (#19992 - in reply to #19906) (#19992) Top


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About "Max Shapes"

It should be clear from the grid and example, but following line is missing from the instructions "Black cells can not used while placing the shapes."


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 4:50 PM (#19996 - in reply to #19906) (#19996) Top


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Details about Penalty structure

There is no penalty if you Skip a Puzzle.
Otherwise, minimum penalty for getting a puzzle incorrect = 25.
Additionally, you get more penalties depending upon how many other players submit the same or other wrong answers.
Example :
Lets say a puzzle has 4 options.
Option 1) Correct Answer
Option 2) submitted by x number of players
Option 3) submitted by y number of players
Option 4) submitted by z number of players
Lets have P = max(x,y,z)
Total penalty for players submitting Option 2) = 25 + 25 * ( P - x ) / P
Total penalty for players submitting Option 3) = 25 + 25 * ( P - y ) / P
Total penalty for players submitting Option 4) = 25 + 25 * ( P - z ) / P

So, the higher is the difference between 'most incorrect' and 'your incorrect', higher is the penalty.


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 5:19 PM (#19997 - in reply to #19906) (#19997) Top


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Before you start Screen Test

  • Please understand the instructions of each puzzle at http://logicmastersindia.com/ST/ST5/inst.asp
  • Checkout the demo at http://logicmastersindia.com/ST/STDemo/ (with selected puzzles from a pevious Screen Test)
  • The first 10 puzzles (Shades, Perimeter, Knightsm, Triangles, Equation, Circles, Skyscrapers, Turns, Sums, Rotation in order) will be each of 100 seconds.
  • The last 10 puzzles (Weights, Total, Squares, Mines, Solutions, Shapes, Tiles, Arrows, Distance, Instructionless in order) will be each of 150 seconds.
  • Bonus point exists for each individual puzzle - Click on "Next puzzle" to get bonus points
  • Penalty point exists for each individual puzzle - Be careful what you submit
  • You can also Skip a Puzzle. No penalty for skipping.
  • All puzzles, including the Instructionless, in this Screen Test is based on a theme i.e. maximum. The answer option will always correspond to maximum of "something". We have underlined that "something" in each puzzle.



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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 9:01 PM (#19998 - in reply to #19906) (#19998) Top




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Is there any penalty for not submitting an answer of a puzzle? Like, what if the times up and answer is not submitted?
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 9:04 PM (#19999 - in reply to #19998) (#19999) Top


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Swagatam - 2015-11-19 9:01 PM

Is there any penalty for not submitting an answer of a puzzle? Like, what if the times up and answer is not submitted?
No penalty in such cases.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 9:39 PM (#20000 - in reply to #19998) (#20000) Top


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Swagatam - 2015-11-19 9:01 PM

Is there any penalty for not submitting an answer of a puzzle? Like, what if the times up and answer is not submitted?


Also note that, if you select the answer and keep, but didn't click on Next Puzzle.
Then it will get automatically submitted once the time is over. So don't select any option unless you are sure about it. Of course not in the case when you want to try your luck of guessing ;)
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 10:07 PM (#20001 - in reply to #19906) (#20001) Top




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Is there any place where answers for Demo puzzles given ?
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 11:11 PM (#20002 - in reply to #20001) (#20002) Top


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rvarun - 2015-11-19 10:07 PM

Is there any place where answers for Demo puzzles given ?

Unfortunately no. The demo is to make you comfortable with the interface.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-19 11:34 PM (#20003 - in reply to #20002) (#20003) Top


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Screen Test #5 has started


You can check scores at the Score page. There might be few issues with the score page (which we will work on soon).

Good Luck all !!

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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 12:36 AM (#20004 - in reply to #19906) (#20004) Top


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 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Fairly Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Many Puzzles


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 7:14 AM (#20005 - in reply to #19906) (#20005) Top


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 8:28 AM (#20006 - in reply to #19906) (#20006) Top




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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 10:44 AM (#20008 - in reply to #19906) (#20008) Top


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Just to inform: Feedback Page hangs in Google Chrome , Windows 8. But from Mozilla it worked so was able to post the feedback.
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swaroop2011 - 2015-11-20 10:44 AM

Just to inform: Feedback Page hangs in Google Chrome , Windows 8. But from Mozilla it worked so was able to post the feedback.

You are right. Feedback page was hanging in Google Chrome in Win8/Win10.
This is fixed now.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 1:40 PM (#20013 - in reply to #19906) (#20013) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 1:51 PM (#20014 - in reply to #19906) (#20014) Top



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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 2:08 PM (#20015 - in reply to #19906) (#20015) Top




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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 2:40 PM (#20016 - in reply to #19906) (#20016) Top



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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 6:57 PM (#20019 - in reply to #19906) (#20019) Top




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Meh. Dumb mistakes costed me 2 puzzles.

Edited by achan1058 2015-11-20 6:58 PM
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 7:33 PM (#20020 - in reply to #19906) (#20020) Top




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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 8:11 PM (#20021 - in reply to #20010) (#20021) Top


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swaroop2011 - 2015-11-20 10:44 AM

Just to inform: Feedback Page hangs in Google Chrome , Windows 8. But from Mozilla it worked so was able to post the feedback.

You are right. Feedback page was hanging in Google Chrome in Win8/Win10.
This is fixed now.


Now I am able to access Feedback Page in Google Chrome as well. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-20 10:18 PM (#20022 - in reply to #19906) (#20022) Top




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 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Many Puzzles


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 12:13 AM (#20023 - in reply to #19906) (#20023) Top




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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 1:09 AM (#20024 - in reply to #19906) (#20024) Top


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 1:23 AM (#20025 - in reply to #19906) (#20025) Top


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"I really enjoyed it"... a bit too stressful to really enjoy, but I do think it was a great test. And I didn't do as badly as I feared!

Regarding the interface: I'd prefer a bigger and non-dropdown answer entry mechanism. Ideally just a set of big buttons (including a skip button) with no confirmation. I don't want to judge puzzle quality because I have too little comparison for the format. I don't really understand (and haven't tried to understand) the penalty system, so no answer there either.

The puzzles that I had trouble with: I didn't see the contradiction in that one Sudoku even though I looked for it, guess I should have skipped instead. I'm not the only one it seems. On the pyramid, I missed the 19 and thought you were being cheeky with multiple maximal solutions (the answer format allowed that). And I should have thought to take the maximum in parallel row by row. Finally I would have guessed the correct one for the squares, but miscounted and couldn't confirm it was the maximum.

Looking forward to the screen test at the WPC 2017!
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 2:53 AM (#20026 - in reply to #19906) (#20026) Top




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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 9:58 AM (#20027 - in reply to #19906) (#20027) Top


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 10:19 AM (#20028 - in reply to #19906) (#20028) Top


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 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 3:00 PM (#20029 - in reply to #19906) (#20029) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 3:22 PM (#20030 - in reply to #19906) (#20030) Top




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 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


I have found that I understood about the max. rotation was wrong. I thought it was the clockwise rotation of the images from the options but it is actually the clockwise rotation of the original image. Though, I really enjoyed the test.
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 7:09 PM (#20031 - in reply to #19906) (#20031) Top


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 7:16 PM (#20032 - in reply to #19906) (#20032) Top




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Hmm....I still see only 10 squares for C, but 11 squares for D in #13. What am I missing?
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 7:34 PM (#20033 - in reply to #19906) (#20033) Top




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For that problem, C has 12 (1 1x1, 4 2x2, 5 3x3, 2 4x4)

Edited by ghirsch 2015-11-21 7:35 PM
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 7:37 PM (#20034 - in reply to #20032) (#20034) Top


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brecher92 - 2015-11-21 7:16 PM

Hmm....I still see only 10 squares for C, but 11 squares for D in #13. What am I missing?

Check C again. It has
One 1x1 squares
Four 2x2 squares
Five 3x3 squares
Two 4x4 squares
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 8:30 PM (#20037 - in reply to #19906) (#20037) Top


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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-21 10:31 PM (#20038 - in reply to #19906) (#20038) Top




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Hah...well, based on the 25% success rate, I guess I'm not the only one who had a blind spot...
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Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 2:23 AM (#20041 - in reply to #19906) (#20041) Top




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 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Some Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Few Puzzles


This contest may be great for identifying truly skilled puzzle solvers but I really did not have much fun (and if puzzles are not fun, why do them?). Too many of the questions seemed to be "how quickly can you count and remember totals under pressure". And I cannot do weights or minesweeper puzzles entirely in my head. So I ended up trying to use intuition or taking a guess. But maybe it's just me...a lot of others seem to really enjoy it.
I shall look forward to the next regular contest next week. Thanks
wgryciuk
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 4:52 AM (#20042 - in reply to #19906) (#20042) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Many Puzzles


An LMI player
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 10:27 AM (#20047 - in reply to #19906) (#20047) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Many Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Fairly Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


Hotel
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 2:21 PM (#20049 - in reply to #19906) (#20049) Top





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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Many Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


Great puzzles, but in the latter part, paper was necessary for me. (Especially Mines)
Para
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 3:58 PM (#20051 - in reply to #19906) (#20051) Top




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 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


As far as Screen Tests go that was pretty interesting.
lenzo
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 4:15 PM (#20052 - in reply to #19906) (#20052) Top





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 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Fairly Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


An LMI player
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 4:39 PM (#20053 - in reply to #19906) (#20053) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


varunshetty
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 6:01 PM (#20054 - in reply to #19906) (#20054) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


peluri
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 6:10 PM (#20055 - in reply to #19906) (#20055) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


An LMI player
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-22 8:31 PM (#20056 - in reply to #19906) (#20056) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


An LMI player
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 3:23 AM (#20067 - in reply to #19906) (#20067) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Bit unfair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Some Puzzles


AndreyBogdanov
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 3:38 AM (#20068 - in reply to #19906) (#20068) Top


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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Bit unfair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


esther59
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 5:43 AM (#20069 - in reply to #19906) (#20069) Top




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Location: Switzerland
 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Many Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Fairly Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Many Puzzles


Yuhei Kusui
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 10:45 AM (#20072 - in reply to #19906) (#20072) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


An LMI player
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 11:19 AM (#20073 - in reply to #19906) (#20073) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Fairly Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


chaotic_iak
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 2:30 PM (#20084 - in reply to #19906) (#20084) Top



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So, a quick walkthrough for the more tricky puzzles (those that aren't just "just count"):

Shades: Count least white squares.
Perimeter: Slide lines outside to form a rectangle.
Triangles: Count 1-triangles, then 2-triangles (made of two small triangles), and so on.
Circles: Fingers are your friend. Keep track with your fingers on the screen.
Sums: Discard the 99s. If you're quick, you can do all 24 possible sums; if not, you can prune this by starting by using the 7, and if not then the 6s, and so on.
Rotation: Find the one that rotates counterclockwise the smallest. Take two or three consecutive terms and find them in the options to determine the angle.
Weights: Top bar means A+B+C=9, D+E+F=12. Top-right bar means D+E=6, F=6. That's enough to determine the heaviest weight.
Total: Work from bottom to top. Just before the last row, you definitely want to move to the bigger number. Replace the second bottom-most row with this result (2, 1, 3, 1, 1) and discard the bottom-most row. Continue with the third bottom-most (8, 8, 11, 10), and so on. Best done on paper.
Squares: Count 1x1, then 2x2, and so on.
Mines: Corners sum to 7, so there are at most 12 mines (corners + 5 making the plus shape in the middle). Try that. Edges sum to 11, with the center square it's 12, so the diagonals (except the middle) are otherwise empty. This leaves 7 mines in 8 squares, easily checked.
Solutions: A has one solution, the rest zero. B's contradiction: R1-2C5 means R3-4C6 are 23, which means R5-6C4 are 23, but R5C4 is blocked. C's contradiction: R1C4 and R3C4 must both be 1 (by respective box and C4). D's contradiction: R3C2 must be both 1 and 4 (1 by C1 and C3, 4 by R4).
Shapes: L is contained in M many times, so L must be more than M. Whenever I is on the grid, you can extend it to a H, which includes L many times as well.
Distance: Try to link a letter to another letter, so that one of them uses the other in the shortest path; this rules out the latter.
Instructionless: Largest number when all digits are read from that direction.

Of course, the best puzzles are Weights, Mines, and Shapes. I'd like to choose Solutions as well but I don't think those contradictions can be made really quickly; I ended up just doing them on paper, deriving numbers as many as I can until I find a contradiction.
debmohanty
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 2:55 PM (#20085 - in reply to #20084) (#20085) Top



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chaotic_iak - 2015-11-23 2:30 PM
Distance: Try to link a letter to another letter, so that one of them uses the other in the shortest path; this rules out the latter.
Or, just solve it as a Maze.
sena
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 7:15 PM (#20089 - in reply to #19906) (#20089) Top




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suddenly the test has stopped. I am not able to proceed further.
rajeshk
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 11:09 PM (#20091 - in reply to #19906) (#20091) Top


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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Most Puzzles


mihiryadav
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-23 11:15 PM (#20092 - in reply to #19967) (#20092) Top




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i am not able to figure out last two possibilities.....getting 8 for S
mihiryadav
Subject: RE: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-24 1:15 AM (#20093 - in reply to #19906) (#20093) Top




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sorry posted the previous post without any reference...well that's clear to me...i have attached one file in which i am not able to find the 5th knight for D



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Attachments D (2).pdf (26KB - 19 downloads)
Administrator
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-24 5:34 AM (#20094 - in reply to #20093) (#20094) Top


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Screen Test#5 is over now.
mikeylyk
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-24 11:07 AM (#20095 - in reply to #19906) (#20095) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Most Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Very fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Some Puzzles


prasanna16391
Subject: RE: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-24 11:44 AM (#20096 - in reply to #20093) (#20096) Top


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mihiryadav - 2015-11-24 1:15 AM

sorry posted the previous post without any reference...well that's clear to me...i have attached one file in which i am not able to find the 5th knight for D


The one thats to the right and two steps away from the bottom row of the D. It'll move up and then 2 steps left to get into the D.
sena
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-25 10:14 AM (#20099 - in reply to #19906) (#20099) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 Were the puzzles solvable on screen? Many Puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How do you rate the interface for the Screen Test? Very Nice
 What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? Fair
 Were the puzzles solvable under the time limit? Many Puzzles


vopani
Subject: Re: LMI Screen Test #5 — 20th-23rd November @ 2015-11-25 10:42 AM (#20100 - in reply to #19906) (#20100) Top


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Congrats to omeometo, nyoroppyi and tarotaro for making an all-Japanese podium. Not surprisingly, there were six Japanese in the Top-10. Disappointing to see the performance by Indians, but I guess it happens.
I think choatic_iak has summarized the puzzles well in his post above, so I'll skip that.

Four players solved all puzzles correctly: semax (6th), deu (8th), moss (10th), uvo (12th)

Most solved puzzles: Skyscraper (252), Shapes (246), Shades (242), Arrows (240), Circles (236)
Most correctly solved puzzles: Shapes (94%), Skyscrapers (92%), Arrows (91%), Shades (88%), Circles (88%)

Least solved puzzles: Solutions (44), Squares (69), Sums (123), Distance (135), Mines (141)
Least correctly solved puzzles: Solutions (18%), Squares (27%), Sums (51%, Mines (54%), Distance (57%)

Fastest solved puzzles (Most Points): Shapes (116), Arrows (98), Skyscrapers (77), Weights (75), Shades (74)

Seems like Solutions and Squares were clearly ones where a lot of players missed out.
There were quite a lot of submissions in less than 10 seconds, which is really cool.

Its always a pleasure working with Deb (who authored most of the puzzles) on organizing a contest... I wonder how he manages to come up with novel ideas each time in different dimensions.
It would be interesting to know the favourite puzzles of players, but, my favourites were Distance, Arrows and Shapes.

Thanks to all the 280 participants. I hope there were at least a few puzzles for each of you to enjoy solving.

And finally... after authoring 3 STs and testing 1 ST, I hope to be a participant in ST6! (a shout-out for all you wonderful authors out there :-) )